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William Barr's Rosy Report Spin Frustrates Mueller Investigators: NYT | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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    EVENING. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" STARTS
    "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" STARTS RIGHT NOW.
    RIGHT NOW. GOOD EVENING, RACHEL.
    GOOD EVENING, RACHEL. >> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS.
    >> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS. THANKS, MY FRIEND.
    THANKS, MY FRIEND. MUCH APPRECIATED.
    MUCH APPRECIATED. THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR
    THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR.
    JOINING US THIS HOUR. WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS.
    WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS. IT FEELS LIKE A FRIDAY.
    IT FEELS LIKE A FRIDAY. LITERALLY SINCE DINNERTIME
    LITERALLY SINCE DINNERTIME TONIGHT, WE HAVE LEARNED IN "THE
    TONIGHT, WE HAVE LEARNED IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" THAT THE
    WASHINGTON POST" THAT THE PRESIDENT'S SON JARED KUSHNER IS
    PRESIDENT'S SON JARED KUSHNER IS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE
    WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE WHO WAS DENIED A SECURITY
    WHO WAS DENIED A SECURITY CLEARANCE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF
    CLEARANCE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT FOREIGN INFLUENCE
    CONCERNS ABOUT FOREIGN INFLUENCE OVER HIM, HIS PRIVATE BUSINESS
    OVER HIM, HIS PRIVATE BUSINESS INTERESTS AND HIS PERSONAL
    INTERESTS AND HIS PERSONAL CONDUCT.
    CONDUCT. AFTER A RULING BY CAREER
    AFTER A RULING BY CAREER SECURITY OFFICIALS THAT MR.
    SECURITY OFFICIALS THAT MR. KUSHNER HAD TOO MANY SIGNIFICANT
    KUSHNER HAD TOO MANY SIGNIFICANT DISQUALIFYING FACTORS TO RECEIVE
    DISQUALIFYING FACTORS TO RECEIVE A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE, A TRUMP
    A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE, A TRUMP POLITICAL APPOINTEE NEVERTHELESS
    POLITICAL APPOINTEE NEVERTHELESS OVERRULED THAT DETERMINATION AND
    OVERRULED THAT DETERMINATION AND GAVE JARED KUSHNER THE TOP
    GAVE JARED KUSHNER THE TOP SECRET CLEARANCE ANYWAY.
    SECRET CLEARANCE ANYWAY. KUSHNER YOU MIGHT REMEMBER
    KUSHNER YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ISSUED A STATEMENT IN FEBRUARY
    ISSUED A STATEMENT IN FEBRUARY SAYING THAT HIS SECURITY
    SAYING THAT HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE WAS HANDLED IN THE
    CLEARANCE WAS HANDLED IN THE REGULAR PROCESS.
    REGULAR PROCESS. IT NOW SEEMS CLEAR ACCORDING TO
    IT NOW SEEMS CLEAR ACCORDING TO A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN A POSITION
    A WHISTLE-BLOWER IN A POSITION TO KNOW THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS
    TO KNOW THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
    ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. "THE POST" REPORTS TONIGHT THAT
    "THE POST" REPORTS TONIGHT THAT KUSHNER'S TOP SECRET CLEARANCE
    KUSHNER'S TOP SECRET CLEARANCE WAS GRANTED AGAINST THE
    WAS GRANTED AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION OF SECURITY
    RECOMMENDATION OF SECURITY OFFICIALS ON MAY 1st.
    OFFICIALS ON MAY 1st. IT WAS, IN FACT, INITIALED BY
    IT WAS, IN FACT, INITIALED BY THE TRUMP APPOINTEE WHO
    THE TRUMP APPOINTEE WHO OVERRULED SECURITY STAFF ON THAT
    OVERRULED SECURITY STAFF ON THAT SAME DAY, ALSO ON MAY 1st,
    SAME DAY, ALSO ON MAY 1st, IVANKA TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT'S
    IVANKA TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER WHO IS MARRIED TO MR.
    DAUGHTER WHO IS MARRIED TO MR. KUSHNER, SHE WAS ALSO GIVEN HER
    KUSHNER, SHE WAS ALSO GIVEN HER CLEARANCE THAT SAME DAY AS WELL.
    CLEARANCE THAT SAME DAY AS WELL. AND YOU AT HOME SHOULD LOOK
    AND YOU AT HOME SHOULD LOOK UNDER YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU GET
    UNDER YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE TOO, AND
    A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE TOO, AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE
    YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET
    AND YOU GET A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE.
    CLEARANCE. EVERYBODY GETS ONE, NO MATTER
    EVERYBODY GETS ONE, NO MATTER THE SERIOUS DISQUALIFYING RED
    THE SERIOUS DISQUALIFYING RED FLAGS IN YOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS
    FLAGS IN YOUR BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HOW MANY WAYS ACTUAL
    AND HOW MANY WAYS ACTUAL NATIONAL SECURITY SCREENERS
    NATIONAL SECURITY SCREENERS BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T BE
    BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED WITH THE NATION'S MOST
    TRUSTED WITH THE NATION'S MOST SECRET INFORMATION, YOU GET ONE
    SECRET INFORMATION, YOU GET ONE ANYWAY.
    ANYWAY. AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT'S
    AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER BEING
    SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER BEING NAMED AS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL
    NAMED AS WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE, PREVIOUSLY NOT
    NUMBER ONE, PREVIOUSLY NOT DESCRIBED BY NAME IN THOSE
    DESCRIBED BY NAME IN THOSE REPORTS.
    REPORTS. WE'RE GOING HAVE MORE ON THAT
    WE'RE GOING HAVE MORE ON THAT STORY AHEAD.
    STORY AHEAD. >>> WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE
    >>> WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE MORE AHEAD ON THIS MAJOR SHOT
    MORE AHEAD ON THIS MAJOR SHOT ACROSS THE BOW TONIGHT FROM THE
    ACROSS THE BOW TONIGHT FROM THE WAYS AND MEANS CHAIRMAN RICHARD
    WAYS AND MEANS CHAIRMAN RICHARD NEIL.
    NEIL. CONGRESSMAN RICHARD NEIL OF
    CONGRESSMAN RICHARD NEIL OF MASSACHUSETTS HEADS THE WAYS AND
    MASSACHUSETTS HEADS THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE.
    MEANS COMMITTEE. TODAY HE NOTIFIED THE IRS IN
    TODAY HE NOTIFIED THE IRS IN WRITING THAT HE IS INVOKING THE
    WRITING THAT HE IS INVOKING THE SECTION OF THE FEDERAL TAX CODE
    SECTION OF THE FEDERAL TAX CODE THAT REQUIRES THE IRS TO SHOW
    THAT REQUIRES THE IRS TO SHOW HIM SPECIFIC TAX RETURNS THAT HE
    HIM SPECIFIC TAX RETURNS THAT HE WANTS TO SEE AS CHAIRMAN OF WAYS
    WANTS TO SEE AS CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS.
    AND MEANS. CHAIRMAN NEIL IS REQUESTING SIX
    CHAIRMAN NEIL IS REQUESTING SIX YEARS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
    YEARS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERSONAL TAX RETURNS, STARTING
    PERSONAL TAX RETURNS, STARTING IN 2013, TWO YEARS BEFORE HE
    IN 2013, TWO YEARS BEFORE HE DECLARED HIS RUN FOR THE
    DECLARED HIS RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH
    PRESIDENCY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO 2018 LAST YEAR.
    TO 2018 LAST YEAR. CONGRESSMAN NEIL HAS ALSO TOLD
    CONGRESSMAN NEIL HAS ALSO TOLD THE IRS TO TURN OVER TAX RETURNS
    THE IRS TO TURN OVER TAX RETURNS FOR THOSE SAME YEARS FOR ALL OF
    FOR THOSE SAME YEARS FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TRUMP BUSINESS
    THESE DIFFERENT TRUMP BUSINESS ENTITIES.
    ENTITIES. ACCORDING TO BACKGROUND
    ACCORDING TO BACKGROUND INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE WAYS
    INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, THOSE
    AND MEANS COMMITTEE, THOSE SPECIFIC ENTITIES, QUOTE, CUTE
    SPECIFIC ENTITIES, QUOTE, CUTE THE CORE OF THE PRESIDENT'S
    THE CORE OF THE PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS.
    BUSINESS. THE COMMITTEE SAYS THE FIST FIVE
    THE COMMITTEE SAYS THE FIST FIVE ENTITIES ON THAT LIST, QUOTE,
    ENTITIES ON THAT LIST, QUOTE, CONTROL HUNDREDS OF OTHER
    CONTROL HUNDREDS OF OTHER BUSINESS ENTITIES ASSOCIATED
    BUSINESS ENTITIES ASSOCIATED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
    WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. SO, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE MORE ON
    SO, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THAT STORY AHEAD OVER THE COURSE
    THAT STORY AHEAD OVER THE COURSE OF THIS EVENING, INCLUDING THE
    OF THIS EVENING, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE IRS, YOU SHOULD
    FACT THAT THE IRS, YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT BEING
    UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT BEING ASKED FOR THESE RECORDS.
    ASKED FOR THESE RECORDS. THEY'RE NOT BEING SUBPOENAED FOR
    THEY'RE NOT BEING SUBPOENAED FOR THESE RECORDS.
    THESE RECORDS. THEY APPEAR TO BE PLAINLY
    THEY APPEAR TO BE PLAINLY REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAND THESE
    REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAND THESE TAX RETURNS OVER NOW THAT THE
    TAX RETURNS OVER NOW THAT THE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN HAS DEMANDED
    COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN HAS DEMANDED THEM.
    THEM. CONGRESSMAN NEAL CLAIMS TODAY
    CONGRESSMAN NEAL CLAIMS TODAY THAT THE IRS HAS NEVER BEFORE IN
    THAT THE IRS HAS NEVER BEFORE IN U.S. HISTORY REJECTED A REQUEST
    U.S. HISTORY REJECTED A REQUEST FOR A TAX RETURN FILED UNDER
    FOR A TAX RETURN FILED UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE TAX CODE.
    THIS SECTION OF THE TAX CODE. BUT THOSE DEMANDS OF THE IRS ARE
    BUT THOSE DEMANDS OF THE IRS ARE IN AND FORMALLY WORDED AND
    IN AND FORMALLY WORDED AND FORMALLY REQUESTED/DEMANDED AS
    FORMALLY REQUESTED/DEMANDED AS OF TONIGHT.
    OF TONIGHT. THAT ONE IS RED-HOT AND
    THAT ONE IS RED-HOT AND BRAND-NEW, AND JUST AS WE WERE
    BRAND-NEW, AND JUST AS WE WERE DIGESTING THAT, THEN WE GOT
    DIGESTING THAT, THEN WE GOT THIS.
    THIS. AH, YOU DON'T SAY.
    AH, YOU DON'T SAY. YEAH.
    YEAH. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
    WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? THE HEADLINE IN THIS BREAKING
    THE HEADLINE IN THIS BREAKING NEWS REPORT IN "THE NEW YORK
    NEWS REPORT IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" TONIGHT, THIS HAS JUST
    TIMES" TONIGHT, THIS HAS JUST BROKEN WITHIN THE LAST HOUR AND
    BROKEN WITHIN THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF, YOU SEE THE HEADLINE
    A HALF, YOU SEE THE HEADLINE THERE, "SOME ON MUELLER'S TEAM
    THERE, "SOME ON MUELLER'S TEAM SEE THEIR FINDINGS AS MORE
    SEE THEIR FINDINGS AS MORE DAMAGING FOR TRUMP THAN BARR
    DAMAGING FOR TRUMP THAN BARR REVEALED."
    REVEALED." OH.
    OH. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
    WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WHEN THE
    YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WHEN THE NEWLY INSTALLED TRUMP ATTORNEY
    NEWLY INSTALLED TRUMP ATTORNEY GENERAL DECIDED TO SIT ON THE
    GENERAL DECIDED TO SIT ON THE MUELLER REPORT AND NOT RELEASE
    MUELLER REPORT AND NOT RELEASE TO IT ANYONE, NOT A SINGLE PAGE,
    TO IT ANYONE, NOT A SINGLE PAGE, AND INSTEAD THE WHITE HOUSE AND
    AND INSTEAD THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND
    CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA TRIED TO
    CONSERVATIVE MEDIA TRIED TO CLAIM TOTAL VINDICATION FOR THE
    CLAIM TOTAL VINDICATION FOR THE PRESIDENT IN MUELLER'S REPORT
    PRESIDENT IN MUELLER'S REPORT BASED JUST ON ATTORNEY GENERAL
    BASED JUST ON ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S ODD, VAGUE
    BARR'S ODD, VAGUE CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT HE SAYS
    CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT HE SAYS MUELLER CONCLUDED, WHICH THE AG
    MUELLER CONCLUDED, WHICH THE AG THEN LATER SAID SHOULDN'T EVEN
    THEN LATER SAID SHOULDN'T EVEN BE TAKEN AS A SUMMARY OF WHAT
    BE TAKEN AS A SUMMARY OF WHAT MUELLER CONCLUDED.
    MUELLER CONCLUDED. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT MAYBE
    YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT MAYBE THE MUELLER REPORT ISN'T AS
    THE MUELLER REPORT ISN'T AS EXACTY EXCITING AND EXCULPATORY
    EXACTY EXCITING AND EXCULPATORY FOR THE PRESIDENT AS THE TRUMP
    FOR THE PRESIDENT AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND CONSERVATIVE
    ADMINISTRATION AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA AND CONGRESSIONAL
    MEDIA AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE YOU
    REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE?
    BELIEVE? REALLY?
    REALLY? WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?
    WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING? HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED YOUR VICTORY
    HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED YOUR VICTORY LAPS.
    LAPS. HERE IS THE LEAD TONIGHT IN "THE
    HERE IS THE LEAD TONIGHT IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
    NEW YORK TIMES." QUOTE, SOME OF ROBERT MUELLER'S
    QUOTE, SOME OF ROBERT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD
    INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD ASSOCIATES THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL
    ASSOCIATES THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM P. BARR FAILED TO
    WILLIAM P. BARR FAILED TO ADEQUATELY PORTRAY THE FINDINGS
    ADEQUATELY PORTRAY THE FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY AND THAT THE
    OF THEIR INQUIRY AND THAT THE FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY WERE
    FINDINGS OF THEIR INQUIRY WERE MORE TROUBLING FOR PRESIDENT
    MORE TROUBLING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THAN MR. BARR INDICATED,
    TRUMP THAN MR. BARR INDICATED, CITING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND
    CITING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND OTHERS FAMILIAR WITH THE
    OTHERS FAMILIAR WITH THE SIMMERING FRUSTRATIONS OF
    SIMMERING FRUSTRATIONS OF MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS, "THE
    MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS, "THE TIMES" TONIGHT REPORTS, QUOTE,
    TIMES" TONIGHT REPORTS, QUOTE, SOME MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM
    SOME MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM ARE CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MR.
    ARE CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MR. BARR CREATED THE FIRST PUBLIC
    BARR CREATED THE FIRST PUBLIC NARRATIVE OF THE SPECIAL
    NARRATIVE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, AMERICANS'
    COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, AMERICANS' VIEWS WILL HAVE HARDENED ABOUT
    VIEWS WILL HAVE HARDENED ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BEFORE THE
    THE MUELLER REPORT BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION'S CONCLUSIONS
    INVESTIGATION'S CONCLUSIONS ACTUALLY BECOME PUBLIC.
    ACTUALLY BECOME PUBLIC. QUOTE, AT STAKE IN THE DISPUTE
    QUOTE, AT STAKE IN THE DISPUTE IS WHO SHAPES THE PUBLIC'S
    IS WHO SHAPES THE PUBLIC'S INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF
    INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL
    THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS IN
    GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
    AMERICAN HISTORY. TODAY, OF COURSE, CONGRESSIONAL
    TODAY, OF COURSE, CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS LED BY CHAIRMAN JERRY
    DEMOCRATS LED BY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
    NADLER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THEY AUTHORIZED A
    COMMITTEE, THEY AUTHORIZED A SUBPOENA TO OBTAIN THE ENTIRE
    SUBPOENA TO OBTAIN THE ENTIRE UNREDACTED REPORT FROM MUELLER'S
    UNREDACTED REPORT FROM MUELLER'S OFFICE.
    OFFICE. THEY DID NOT SEND THAT SUBPOENA
    THEY DID NOT SEND THAT SUBPOENA TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TODAY.
    TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TODAY. JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER
    JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER INSISTED TODAY HE WANTS TO GIVE
    INSISTED TODAY HE WANTS TO GIVE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TIME TO
    ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR TIME TO CHANGE HIS MIND.
    CHANGE HIS MIND. HE BASICALLY WANTS TO NEGOTIATE
    HE BASICALLY WANTS TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TRY
    WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TRY TO PERSUADE HIM TO RELEASE THE
    TO PERSUADE HIM TO RELEASE THE UNREDACTED REPORT OF MUELLER'S
    UNREDACTED REPORT OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS TO THE JUDICIARY
    FINDINGS TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
    COMMITTEE. ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR FOR HIS
    ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR FOR HIS PART APPEARS TO BE BASICALLY
    PART APPEARS TO BE BASICALLY IGNORING ALL REQUESTS AND
    IGNORING ALL REQUESTS AND DEMANDS FROM CONGRESS WHEN IT
    DEMANDS FROM CONGRESS WHEN IT COMES TO MUELLER'S REPORT.
    COMES TO MUELLER'S REPORT. HE INSISTED IN HIS LAST LETTER
    HE INSISTED IN HIS LAST LETTER TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES THAT
    TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEES THAT HE'S GOING THROUGH THE REPORT
    HE'S GOING THROUGH THE REPORT NOW AND CUTTING OUT A WHOLE
    NOW AND CUTTING OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF
    BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT HE BELIEVES
    INFORMATION THAT HE BELIEVES CONGRESS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO
    CONGRESS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SEE.
    SEE. HE HAS SAID THAT MUELLER HIMSELF
    HE HAS SAID THAT MUELLER HIMSELF IS ASSISTING WITH THIS REDACTION
    IS ASSISTING WITH THIS REDACTION PROCESS, ALTHOUGH NO ONE QUITE
    PROCESS, ALTHOUGH NO ONE QUITE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS, AND THAT
    KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS, AND THAT MAY BECOME A VERY, VERY
    MAY BECOME A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THING IN TERMS OF HOW
    DIFFERENT THING IN TERMS OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS GIVEN
    WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS GIVEN THIS NEW REPORTING FROM "THE
    THIS NEW REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES."
    TIMES." THIS REPORT FROM "THE TIMES"
    THIS REPORT FROM "THE TIMES" TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S
    TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S TEAM, HOWEVER INVOLVED THEY ARE
    TEAM, HOWEVER INVOLVED THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS FROM HERE ON OUT,
    IN THE PROCESS FROM HERE ON OUT, THIS REPORT TONIGHT SUGGESTS
    THIS REPORT TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT MUELLER'S TEAM IS NOT ON
    THAT MUELLER'S TEAM IS NOT ON BOARD WITH HOW ATTORNEY GENERAL
    BOARD WITH HOW ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR IS HANDLING THIS.
    WILLIAM BARR IS HANDLING THIS. AND ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES"
    AND ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES" REPORTING, MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S
    REPORTING, MEMBERS OF MUELLER'S TEAM ARE BASICALLY WARNING
    TEAM ARE BASICALLY WARNING PEOPLE THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL
    PEOPLE THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO
    WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO PUBLICLY SELL A VERSION OF WHAT
    PUBLICLY SELL A VERSION OF WHAT HE SAYS ARE MUELLER'S FINDINGS
    HE SAYS ARE MUELLER'S FINDINGS THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FAIR
    THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MUELLER
    REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MUELLER FOUND, AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE
    FOUND, AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE WAY TOO KIND TO PRESIDENT TRUMP
    WAY TOO KIND TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN YOU COMPARE WIT MUELLER'S
    WHEN YOU COMPARE WIT MUELLER'S ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS.
    ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS. AND THIS NEW REPORTING GOES
    AND THIS NEW REPORTING GOES RIGHT BACK TO THAT STRANGE
    RIGHT BACK TO THAT STRANGE INITIAL QUESTION OF WHY EXACTLY
    INITIAL QUESTION OF WHY EXACTLY BARR IS BEHAVING THE WAY HE IS.
    BARR IS BEHAVING THE WAY HE IS. WHY IT IS THAT BARR DECIDED TO
    WHY IT IS THAT BARR DECIDED TO PROVIDE HIS PURPORTED
    PROVIDE HIS PURPORTED SUMMARY/DON'T CALL IT A SUMMARY
    SUMMARY/DON'T CALL IT A SUMMARY OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS IN THE
    OF MUELLER'S FINDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
    FIRST PLACE. NOBODY EXPECTED HIM TO DO THAT.
    NOBODY EXPECTED HIM TO DO THAT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPECIAL
    THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS THAT
    COUNSEL REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRED HIM TO DO THAT.
    REQUIRED HIM TO DO THAT. THERE WAS NO WARNING OR ANY SORT
    THERE WAS NO WARNING OR ANY SORT OF EXPECTATION THAT HE WOULD DO
    OF EXPECTATION THAT HE WOULD DO THAT.
    THAT. WHY IN FACT DID BARR DECIDE TO
    WHY IN FACT DID BARR DECIDE TO NOT RELEASE ANYTHING FROM
    NOT RELEASE ANYTHING FROM MUELLER'S REPORT AND INSTEAD TO
    MUELLER'S REPORT AND INSTEAD TO RELEASE HIS OWN TAKE ON WHAT
    RELEASE HIS OWN TAKE ON WHAT MUELLER FOUND?
    MUELLER FOUND? HERE IS MORE FROM "THE TIMES"
    HERE IS MORE FROM "THE TIMES" REPORT TONIGHT.
    REPORT TONIGHT. QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
    QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY
    INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF
    WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM
    THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT BARR SHOULD
    MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT BARR SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR
    HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER
    MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING
    HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING OUT THEIR MAIN CONCLUSIONS, AS
    OUT THEIR MAIN CONCLUSIONS, AS HE CHARACTERIZED THEM.
    HE CHARACTERIZED THEM. MR. BARR, QUOTE, ONLY BRIEFLY
    MR. BARR, QUOTE, ONLY BRIEFLY CITED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S WORK
    CITED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S WORK IN HIS LETTER.
    IN HIS LETTER. GOING ON, "THE TIMES" SAYS THE
    GOING ON, "THE TIMES" SAYS THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR
    GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION AND
    WITH THE INVESTIGATION AND OTHERS INTERVIEWED DECLINED TO
    OTHERS INTERVIEWED DECLINED TO FLESH OUT WHY SOME OF THE
    FLESH OUT WHY SOME OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS
    SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED THEIR FINDINGS AS
    VIEWED THEIR FINDINGS AS POTENTIALLY MORE DAMAGING FOR
    POTENTIALLY MORE DAMAGING FOR THE PRESIDENT THAN BARR
    THE PRESIDENT THAN BARR EXPLAINED.
    EXPLAINED. QUOTE, IT WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH
    QUOTE, IT WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH DISCUSSION MUELLER AND HIS
    DISCUSSION MUELLER AND HIS INVESTIGATORS HAD WITH SENIOR
    INVESTIGATORS HAD WITH SENIOR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS
    JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS ABOUT HOW THEIR FINDINGS WOULD
    ABOUT HOW THEIR FINDINGS WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC.
    BE MADE PUBLIC. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST -- THIS
    SO, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST -- THIS IS REMARKABLE.
    IS REMARKABLE. WHAT "THE TIMES" IS DESCRIBING
    WHAT "THE TIMES" IS DESCRIBING HERE, REMARKABLY, IS CRITICISM,
    HERE, REMARKABLY, IS CRITICISM, RIGHT, WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS
    RIGHT, WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS SIMMERING FRUSTRATION FROM
    SIMMERING FRUSTRATION FROM MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS ABOUT
    MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS ABOUT THE PRO-TRUMP CHARACTERIZATION
    THE PRO-TRUMP CHARACTERIZATION OF THEIR FINDINGS THAT ATTORNEY
    OF THEIR FINDINGS THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR MADE PUBLIC
    GENERAL WILLIAM BARR MADE PUBLIC AS HIS OWN SUMMARY OF THEIR WORK
    AS HIS OWN SUMMARY OF THEIR WORK WHILE HE, A, PREVENTED ANY OF
    WHILE HE, A, PREVENTED ANY OF THE ACTUAL REPORT FROM BEING
    THE ACTUAL REPORT FROM BEING MADE PUBLIC OR EVEN PROVIDED TO
    MADE PUBLIC OR EVEN PROVIDED TO CONGRESS, AND B, HE APPARENTLY
    CONGRESS, AND B, HE APPARENTLY PREVENTED EVEN THEIR OWN WRITTEN
    PREVENTED EVEN THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN WORK FROM
    SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN WORK FROM BECOMING PUBLIC AT ALL.
    BECOMING PUBLIC AT ALL. THIS IS TOTALLY NEW.
    THIS IS TOTALLY NEW. WE HAD NO IDEA THAT MUELLER'S
    WE HAD NO IDEA THAT MUELLER'S TEAM SUMMARIZED THEIR OWN
    TEAM SUMMARIZED THEIR OWN FINDINGS THEMSELVES.
    FINDINGS THEMSELVES. THEY PREPARED A SUMMARY
    THEY PREPARED A SUMMARY THEMSELVES.
    THEMSELVES. BARR DID NOT RELEASE THAT
    BARR DID NOT RELEASE THAT SUMMARY.
    SUMMARY. HE WROTE A DIFFERENT ONE
    HE WROTE A DIFFERENT ONE HIMSELF.
    HIMSELF. WHICH MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS
    WHICH MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY IS WRONG.
    SAY IS WRONG. THEY AT LEAST SAY IT IS LESS
    THEY AT LEAST SAY IT IS LESS DAMAGING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP
    DAMAGING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THAN WHAT THEIR REPORT AND THEIR
    THAN WHAT THEIR REPORT AND THEIR INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY FOUND.
    INVESTIGATION ACTUALLY FOUND. NOW THERE IS A COUPLE MORE
    NOW THERE IS A COUPLE MORE THINGS HERE.
    THINGS HERE. ONE IS REPORTING THAT -- I MEAN,
    ONE IS REPORTING THAT -- I MEAN, IT'S ALL ANONYMOUS SOURCES,
    IT'S ALL ANONYMOUS SOURCES, RIGHT?
    RIGHT? BUT THIS IS REPORTING THAT
    BUT THIS IS REPORTING THAT APPEARS TO BE SOURCED FROM DOJ.
    APPEARS TO BE SOURCED FROM DOJ. I SAY THAT BECAUSE "THE TIMES"
    I SAY THAT BECAUSE "THE TIMES" DESCRIBES ITS SOURCES FOR SOME
    DESCRIBES ITS SOURCES FOR SOME OF THIS AS UNNAMED PERSONS CLOSE
    OF THIS AS UNNAMED PERSONS CLOSE TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S
    TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S THINKING.
    THINKING. BUT THOSE SOURCES ARE TELLING
    BUT THOSE SOURCES ARE TELLING REPORTERS AT "THE TIMES" WHY
    REPORTERS AT "THE TIMES" WHY BARR MIGHT HAVE RELEASED HIS OWN
    BARR MIGHT HAVE RELEASED HIS OWN SUMMARY THAT WAS ONLY SUNSHINE
    SUMMARY THAT WAS ONLY SUNSHINE AND BLUEBIRDS WHEN IT CAME TO
    AND BLUEBIRDS WHEN IT CAME TO PRESIDENT TRUMP RATHER THAN
    PRESIDENT TRUMP RATHER THAN RELEASING THE ACTUAL WRITTEN
    RELEASING THE ACTUAL WRITTEN SUMMARY PREPARED BY MUELLER'S
    SUMMARY PREPARED BY MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES.
    INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES. I HAVE TO WARN YOU, THIS IS A
    I HAVE TO WARN YOU, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT RICH IN TERMS OF THE
    LITTLE BIT RICH IN TERMS OF THE EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY BARR DID
    EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY BARR DID WHAT HE DID.
    WHAT HE DID. QUOTE, BARR HAS COME UNDER
    QUOTE, BARR HAS COME UNDER CRITICISM FOR SHARING SO LITTLE
    CRITICISM FOR SHARING SO LITTLE FROM MUELLER'S REPORT, BUT
    FROM MUELLER'S REPORT, BUT ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS FAMILIAR
    ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
    WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S THINKING, HE AND HIS AIDES
    THINKING, HE AND HIS AIDES LIMITED THE DETAILS THEY
    LIMITED THE DETAILS THEY REVEALED BECAUSE THEY WERE
    REVEALED BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT WADING INTO
    WORRIED ABOUT WADING INTO POLITICAL TERRITORY.
    POLITICAL TERRITORY. MR. BARR AND HIS ADVISERS
    MR. BARR AND HIS ADVISERS EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IF THEY
    EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IF THEY INCLUDED DEROGATORY INFORMATION
    INCLUDED DEROGATORY INFORMATION ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHILE CLEARING
    ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHILE CLEARING HIM, THEY WOULD FACE A STORM OF
    HIM, THEY WOULD FACE A STORM OF CRITICISM LIKE WHAT JAMES COMEY
    CRITICISM LIKE WHAT JAMES COMEY ENDURED IN THE CLINTON
    ENDURED IN THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION.
    INVESTIGATION. QUOTE, BARR WAS WARY OF
    QUOTE, BARR WAS WARY OF DEPARTING FROM JUSTICE
    DEPARTING FROM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PRACTICE NOT TO
    DEPARTMENT PRACTICE NOT TO DISCLOSE DEROGATORY DETAILS IN
    DISCLOSE DEROGATORY DETAILS IN CLOSING AN INVESTIGATION,
    CLOSING AN INVESTIGATION, ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT
    ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH BARR'S
    OFFICIALS FAMILIAR WITH BARR'S THINKING.
    THINKING. THEY POINTED TO THE DECISION BY
    THEY POINTED TO THE DECISION BY JAMES COMEY TO HARSHLY CRITICIZE
    JAMES COMEY TO HARSHLY CRITICIZE HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016 WHILE
    HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016 WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ANNOUNCING THAT
    SIMULTANEOUSLY ANNOUNCING THAT HE WAS RECOMMENDING NO CHARGES
    HE WAS RECOMMENDING NO CHARGES AGAINST HER IN THE INQUIRY INTO
    AGAINST HER IN THE INQUIRY INTO HER EMAIL PRACTICES.
    HER EMAIL PRACTICES. SO ACCORDING TO SOURCES CLOSE TO
    SO ACCORDING TO SOURCES CLOSE TO ATTORNEY GENERAL GENERAL BARR'S
    ATTORNEY GENERAL GENERAL BARR'S THINKING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S
    THINKING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S THINKING.
    THINKING. IMAGINE YOU'RE WRITING THE
    IMAGINE YOU'RE WRITING THE HISTORY CHAPTER ABOUT THIS FOR
    HISTORY CHAPTER ABOUT THIS FOR PEOPLE NOT YET BORN, RIGHT?
    PEOPLE NOT YET BORN, RIGHT? HERE'S THE THINKING.
    HERE'S THE THINKING. BECAUSE THE FBI MADE AN
    BECAUSE THE FBI MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF FREE-FLOATING
    ANNOUNCEMENT OF FREE-FLOATING CRITICISM AND DEROGATORY
    CRITICISM AND DEROGATORY INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL
    INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT
    CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL
    BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THUS HELPING HER
    ELECTION, THUS HELPING HER OPPONENT DONALD TRUMP WIN THE
    OPPONENT DONALD TRUMP WIN THE PRESIDENCY, NOW DONALD TRUMP
    PRESIDENCY, NOW DONALD TRUMP APPOINTEES ARE SOBERLY PLEDGING
    APPOINTEES ARE SOBERLY PLEDGING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A
    THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A SPRAWLING CRIMINAL
    SPRAWLING CRIMINAL COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
    COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP AS
    INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT, THE CLINTON EXAMPLE
    PRESIDENT, THE CLINTON EXAMPLE IS WHY NOTHING SHOULD BE
    IS WHY NOTHING SHOULD BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT
    RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT TRUMP WHATSOEVER, NOT AT LEAST
    TRUMP WHATSOEVER, NOT AT LEAST IF IT'S NEGATIVE.
    IF IT'S NEGATIVE. ONLY IF IT'S GOOD.
    ONLY IF IT'S GOOD. BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRINCIPLE,
    BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRINCIPLE, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING.
    RIGHT, THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING. HERE'S ONE LAST POINT IN THIS
    HERE'S ONE LAST POINT IN THIS "TIMES" STORY, THOUGH.
    "TIMES" STORY, THOUGH. A COUPLE OF TIMES "THE TIMES"
    A COUPLE OF TIMES "THE TIMES" SAYS TONIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT
    SAYS TONIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE, THEY'RE NOT
    EXACTLY SURE, THEY'RE NOT REPORTING HERE WHAT EXACTLY THE
    REPORTING HERE WHAT EXACTLY THE OBJECTION IS FROM MUELLER'S
    OBJECTION IS FROM MUELLER'S TEAM, WHAT THE FRUSTRATION IS
    TEAM, WHAT THE FRUSTRATION IS HERE FROM MUELLER'S TEAM ABOUT
    HERE FROM MUELLER'S TEAM ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY
    THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY FOUND AND THE WAY BARR
    ACTUALLY FOUND AND THE WAY BARR HAS CHARACTERIZED THEIR
    HAS CHARACTERIZED THEIR INVESTIGATION.
    INVESTIGATION. FOR EXAMPLE, "THE TIMES" SAYS
    FOR EXAMPLE, "THE TIMES" SAYS EXPLICITLY IN THEIR REPORT
    EXPLICITLY IN THEIR REPORT TONIGHT, QUOTE, IT WAS NOT CLEAR
    TONIGHT, QUOTE, IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT FINDINGS THE SPECIAL
    WHAT FINDINGS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED
    COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS VIEWED AS TROUBLING FOR MR. TRUMP.
    AS TROUBLING FOR MR. TRUMP. BUT CLEARLY, THEY'RE TROUBLING
    BUT CLEARLY, THEY'RE TROUBLING FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE
    FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE LISTED IN THEIR OWN REPORT,
    LISTED IN THEIR OWN REPORT, RIGHT?
    RIGHT? THEY HAVE WRITTEN THESE THINGS
    THEY HAVE WRITTEN THESE THINGS DOWN.
    DOWN. THEY ARE THE FINDINGS OF THE
    THEY ARE THE FINDINGS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
    MUELLER INVESTIGATION. THEY'RE THERE IN THE REPORT,
    THEY'RE THERE IN THE REPORT, WHICH 12 DAYS NOW WE CAN'T SEE.
    WHICH 12 DAYS NOW WE CAN'T SEE. SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE GET TO
    SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE GET TO SEE WHAT THOSE TROUBLING
    SEE WHAT THOSE TROUBLING FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE?
    FINDINGS FOR MR. TRUMP ARE? AND WHOSE GOING TO DECIDE?
    AND WHOSE GOING TO DECIDE? I MEAN, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT IS
    I MEAN, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT IS GETTING CUT OUT OF MUELLER'S
    GETTING CUT OUT OF MUELLER'S REPORT?
    REPORT? CONGRESS SAYS THEY GET IT ALL
    CONGRESS SAYS THEY GET IT ALL UNREDACTED.
    UNREDACTED. WELL, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT
    WELL, WHOSE DECIDING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHIP TO
    THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHIP TO CONGRESS WHEN THEY REJECT
    CONGRESS WHEN THEY REJECT CONGRESS' CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD
    CONGRESS' CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD GET AN UNREDACTED REPORT?
    GET AN UNREDACTED REPORT? WHOSE TO DECIDE WHAT GOES TO THE
    WHOSE TO DECIDE WHAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT THE REDACTIONS
    PUBLIC AND WHAT THE REDACTIONS ARE?
    ARE? AGAIN, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR
    AGAIN, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR SAYS THAT MUELLER, THE SPECIAL
    SAYS THAT MUELLER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS ASSISTING IN THE
    COUNSEL IS ASSISTING IN THE PROCESS OF DECIDING WHAT'S BEING
    PROCESS OF DECIDING WHAT'S BEING REDACTED FROM THE REPORT BEFORE
    REDACTED FROM THE REPORT BEFORE BARR LETS IT OUT OF HIS CLUTCHES
    BARR LETS IT OUT OF HIS CLUTCHES AND GIVES IT TO EITHER THE
    AND GIVES IT TO EITHER THE CONGRESS OR THE PUBLIC.
    CONGRESS OR THE PUBLIC. SO MUELLER IS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING
    SO MUELLER IS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING IN THIS PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW,
    IN THIS PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, CUTTING STUFF OUT OF HIS OWN
    CUTTING STUFF OUT OF HIS OWN REPORT, BLACKING STUFF OUT.
    REPORT, BLACKING STUFF OUT. WELL, ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES"
    WELL, ACCORDING TO "THE TIMES" TONIGHT, MUELLER'S TEAM, AGAIN,
    TONIGHT, MUELLER'S TEAM, AGAIN, PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF
    PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF WHAT THEIR OWN FINDINGS WERE.
    WHAT THEIR OWN FINDINGS WERE. AND BARR DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE
    AND BARR DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF
    THEIR OWN WRITTEN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN FINDINGS AND INSTEAD
    THEIR OWN FINDINGS AND INSTEAD SUBSTITUTED HIS OWN EXPLANATION
    SUBSTITUTED HIS OWN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HE SAYS THEY FOUND,
    OF WHAT HE SAYS THEY FOUND, WHICH THEY NOW TAKE IERVE WITH.
    WHICH THEY NOW TAKE IERVE WITH. ONE OF THE WEIRDEST THINGS IN
    ONE OF THE WEIRDEST THINGS IN THIS WHOLE REPORT TONIGHT,
    THIS WHOLE REPORT TONIGHT, THOUGH, IS WHAT "THE TIMES" IS
    THOUGH, IS WHAT "THE TIMES" IS BASICALLY SAYING, ACCORDING TO
    BASICALLY SAYING, ACCORDING TO SOURCES THAT APPEAR TO BE IN THE
    SOURCES THAT APPEAR TO BE IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OR SOURCES
    JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OR SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY
    FAMILIAR WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S THINKING IS THAT WHEN
    GENERAL'S THINKING IS THAT WHEN MUELLER'S TEAM PREPARED THEIR
    MUELLER'S TEAM PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN
    OWN SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN FINDINGS, THEY PREPARED THEM IN
    FINDINGS, THEY PREPARED THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE
    SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE UNRELEASABLE, EITHER TO CONGRESS
    UNRELEASABLE, EITHER TO CONGRESS OR TO THE PUBLIC.
    OR TO THE PUBLIC. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
    WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? HERE'S WHAT "THE TIMES" REPORTS,
    HERE'S WHAT "THE TIMES" REPORTS, QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
    QUOTE, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY
    INVESTIGATORS HAD ALREADY WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF
    WRITTEN MULTIPLE SUMMARIES OF THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM
    THEIR OWN REPORT, AND SOME TEAM MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT MR. BARR
    MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT MR. BARR SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF
    SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MORE OF THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE
    THEIR MATERIAL IN THE FOUR-PAGE LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th
    LETTER HE WROTE ON MARCH 24th LAYING OUT MUELLER'S MAIN
    LAYING OUT MUELLER'S MAIN CONCLUSIONS.
    CONCLUSIONS. HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S
    HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE NEVER ASKED MR. BARR TO
    OFFICE NEVER ASKED MR. BARR TO RELEASE THE SUMMARIES SOON AFTER
    RELEASE THE SUMMARIES SOON AFTER HE RECEIVED THE REPORT, A PERSON
    HE RECEIVED THE REPORT, A PERSON FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION
    FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION SAID.
    SAID. OKAY.
    OKAY. AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
    AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT QUICKLY DETERMINED THAT THE
    QUICKLY DETERMINED THAT THE SUMMARIES CONTAINED SENSITIVE
    SUMMARIES CONTAINED SENSITIVE INFORMATION, LIKE CLASSIFIED
    INFORMATION, LIKE CLASSIFIED MATERIALS, SECRET GRAND JURY
    MATERIALS, SECRET GRAND JURY TESTIMONY, AND INFORMATION
    TESTIMONY, AND INFORMATION RELATED TO CURRENT FEDERAL
    RELATED TO CURRENT FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT MUST REMAIN
    INVESTIGATIONS THAT MUST REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL.
    CONFIDENTIAL. THAT'S ACCORDING TO TWO
    THAT'S ACCORDING TO TWO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
    GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. SO THIS IS THE PART OF IT THAT
    SO THIS IS THE PART OF IT THAT KIND OF THROBS LIKE A FRITZING
    KIND OF THROBS LIKE A FRITZING NEON SIGN HERE.
    NEON SIGN HERE. WHAT "THE TIMES" IS REPORTING
    WHAT "THE TIMES" IS REPORTING BASED ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE
    BASED ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND
    CURRENT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOURCES IS
    JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SOURCES IS THAT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM
    THAT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES TO
    PREPARED THEIR OWN SUMMARIES TO THEIR FINDINGS.
    THEIR FINDINGS. MUELLER'S TEAM IS ANGRY THAT
    MUELLER'S TEAM IS ANGRY THAT THOSE SUMMARIES WERE NOT
    THOSE SUMMARIES WERE NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC BY BARR
    RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC BY BARR AND INSTEAD HE RELEASED HIS OWN,
    AND INSTEAD HE RELEASED HIS OWN, WHICH WAS MUCH NICER TO TRUMP.
    WHICH WAS MUCH NICER TO TRUMP. BUT MUELLER IS ALSO INVOLVED IN
    BUT MUELLER IS ALSO INVOLVED IN DECIDING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE
    DECIDING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE RELEASED FROM HIS REPORT, AND
    RELEASED FROM HIS REPORT, AND HIS SUMMARIES WERE WRITTEN IN
    HIS SUMMARIES WERE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DEFINITELY
    SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DEFINITELY CAN'T BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC
    CAN'T BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC OR TO CONGRESS?
    OR TO CONGRESS? THAT -- SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T
    THAT -- SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T ADD UP HERE.
    ADD UP HERE. I WILL SAY THERE IS ONE LAST
    I WILL SAY THERE IS ONE LAST IMPLICATION, THOUGH, OF THIS
    IMPLICATION, THOUGH, OF THIS REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES."
    REPORTING FROM "THE TIMES." WHEN'S THE LAST TIME OVER THIS
    WHEN'S THE LAST TIME OVER THIS WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS THAT YOU
    WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS THAT YOU REMEMBER SEEING REPORTING THAT
    REMEMBER SEEING REPORTING THAT SOURCED TO MUELLER'S
    SOURCED TO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS?
    INVESTIGATORS? MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY,
    MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS SAY, MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE
    MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS HAVE TOLD.
    TOLD. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW
    WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW REPORTING LIKE THAT?
    REPORTING LIKE THAT? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN REPORTING LIKE
    YOU HAVEN'T SEEN REPORTING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
    THAT BEFORE. ONE OF THE OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF
    ONE OF THE OTHER IMPLICATIONS OF THIS REPORTING TONIGHT IS THAT
    THIS REPORTING TONIGHT IS THAT WHATEVER WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING
    WHATEVER WILLIAM BARR IS TRYING TO DO WITH MUELLER'S REPORT, IT
    TO DO WITH MUELLER'S REPORT, IT APPEARS TO BE RUBBING ROBERT
    APPEARS TO BE RUBBING ROBERT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THE WRONG
    MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THE WRONG WAY.
    WAY. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS
    AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS, THEY
    WHOLE TWO-YEAR PROCESS, THEY APPEAR TO BE WILLING TO SQUAWK
    APPEAR TO BE WILLING TO SQUAWK TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC NOISE TO
    TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC NOISE TO MAKE SURE THEIR FINDINGS ARE NOT
    MAKE SURE THEIR FINDINGS ARE NOT ABUSED OR MISCHARACTERIZED OR
    ABUSED OR MISCHARACTERIZED OR SUBMARINED.
    SUBMARINED. MAYBE THERE WILL BE NOW A NEW
    MAYBE THERE WILL BE NOW A NEW VOICE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM
    VOICE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THEMSELVES.
    MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THEMSELVES. THEY'VE BEEN SILENT THROUGHOUT
    THEY'VE BEEN SILENT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
    THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. NOW WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR FROM
    NOW WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR FROM THEM.
    THEM. JOINING US NOW IS NEAL KATYAL,
    JOINING US NOW IS NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL
    FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
    IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE JUSTICE
    HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS THAT
    DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS THAT DEFINE THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL
    DEFINE THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL COUNSEL.
    COUNSEL. NEAL, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU
    NEAL, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT.
    HERE TONIGHT. THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT
    THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT NOTICE.
    NOTICE. >> THANKS, RACHEL.
    >> THANKS, RACHEL. >> LET ME JUST ASK YOU, I KNOW
    >> LET ME JUST ASK YOU, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A TIME TO READ THIS
    YOU'VE HAD A TIME TO READ THIS "TIMES" REPORT.
    "TIMES" REPORT. I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD MY SORT OF
    I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD MY SORT OF TAKEAWAYS FROM IT.
    TAKEAWAYS FROM IT. LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK IS
    LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT FROM IT AND WHAT YOU
    IMPORTANT FROM IT AND WHAT YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND
    THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS NEW REPORTING.
    ABOUT THIS NEW REPORTING. >> WELL, TOTALLY CLEARS THE
    >> WELL, TOTALLY CLEARS THE PRESIDENT, NO, RACHEL.
    PRESIDENT, NO, RACHEL. IT'S OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THIS
    IT'S OBVIOUSLY DUE TO THIS REPORTING SHOWS TO BE A LOT MORE
    REPORTING SHOWS TO BE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
    COMPLICATED THAN THAT. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THOSE
    AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THOSE WORDS AND HIS ADVISERS THAT THE
    WORDS AND HIS ADVISERS THAT THE MUELLER REPORT CLEARS HIM
    MUELLER REPORT CLEARS HIM TOTALLY, AND THE LIKE, AND
    TOTALLY, AND THE LIKE, AND THEY'VE GOT TO PROVE IT UP NOW.
    THEY'VE GOT TO PROVE IT UP NOW. AND LAST WEEK TRUMP SAID THAT
    AND LAST WEEK TRUMP SAID THAT THE REPORT CLEARS HIM AND HE
    THE REPORT CLEARS HIM AND HE WANTS THE PUBLIC -- HE WANTS THE
    WANTS THE PUBLIC -- HE WANTS THE MUELLER REPORT TO BE PUBLICLY
    MUELLER REPORT TO BE PUBLICLY RELEASED.
    RELEASED. AND TODAY HE SWITCHED TUNES IN A
    AND TODAY HE SWITCHED TUNES IN A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAID
    PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAID HUH-UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE
    HUH-UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE RELEASED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,
    RELEASED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE.
    EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE. I THINK WHAT'S REALLY
    I THINK WHAT'S REALLY EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THIS, AS YOU
    EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THIS, AS YOU WERE SAYING JUST TOWARDS THE END
    WERE SAYING JUST TOWARDS THE END OF YOUR DISCUSSION, WE'VE GONE
    OF YOUR DISCUSSION, WE'VE GONE 22 MONTHS.
    22 MONTHS. WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM
    WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM TEAM MUELLER UNTIL TONIGHT.
    TEAM MUELLER UNTIL TONIGHT. AND THAT JUST I THINK
    AND THAT JUST I THINK UNDERSCORES THAT WHAT BARR DID
    UNDERSCORES THAT WHAT BARR DID IN THOSE TWO LETTERS AND THE
    IN THOSE TWO LETTERS AND THE GAMES HE'S BEEN PLAYING ARE
    GAMES HE'S BEEN PLAYING ARE DEEPLY DAMAGING AND THE MUELLER
    DEEPLY DAMAGING AND THE MUELLER TEAM IS EVIDENTLY NOT GOING TO
    TEAM IS EVIDENTLY NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT.
    STAND FOR IT. >> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS
    >> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THIS IS
    COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THIS IS "THE TIMES" HAS GOT THREE VERY
    "THE TIMES" HAS GOT THREE VERY IMPRESSIVE REPORTERS BY-LINED ON
    IMPRESSIVE REPORTERS BY-LINED ON THIS.
    THIS. THEY'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC
    THEY'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPES OF SOURCES
    ABOUT THE TYPES OF SOURCES THEY'VE GOT HERE, BUT THEIR
    THEY'VE GOT HERE, BUT THEIR SOURCES ARE UNNAMED.
    SOURCES ARE UNNAMED. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING ALL ALONG
    I HAVE BEEN WONDERING ALL ALONG IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR
    IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR WILLIAM BARR SPECIFICALLY REALLY
    WILLIAM BARR SPECIFICALLY REALLY TRIED TO ABUSE MUELLER'S
    TRIED TO ABUSE MUELLER'S FINDINGS, TRIED TO
    FINDINGS, TRIED TO MISCHARACTERIZE THEM, TRIED TO
    MISCHARACTERIZE THEM, TRIED TO SUBMARINE THEM, TRIED TO
    SUBMARINE THEM, TRIED TO REPRESENT THEM TO THE AMERICAN
    REPRESENT THEM TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR TO CONGRESS IN A WAY
    PEOPLE OR TO CONGRESS IN A WAY THAT MUELLER FELT WAS NOT FAIR.
    THAT MUELLER FELT WAS NOT FAIR. WOULD HE SURFACE HIMSELF AS A
    WOULD HE SURFACE HIMSELF AS A VOICE?
    VOICE? OR DO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
    OR DO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, AGAIN, THAT YOU
    REGULATIONS, AGAIN, THAT YOU WROTE ESSENTIALLY MAKE HIM SO
    WROTE ESSENTIALLY MAKE HIM SO SUBORDINATE TO THE ATTORNEY
    SUBORDINATE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THIS POINT IN THE
    GENERAL AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR
    PROCESS THAT HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED
    HIMSELF, THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATE FOR THE
    TO ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATE FOR THE FAIR TREATMENT OF HIS OWN
    FAIR TREATMENT OF HIS OWN FINDINGS?
    FINDINGS? >> NO.
    >> NO. WE ANTICIPATED THIS.
    WE ANTICIPATED THIS. THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
    THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE JUSTICE
    COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ONCE MUELLER
    DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ONCE MUELLER LEAVES AND THE ATTORNEYS IN HIS
    LEAVES AND THE ATTORNEYS IN HIS OFFICE LEAVE, THEY HAVE MORE
    OFFICE LEAVE, THEY HAVE MORE FREEDOM TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS ON
    FREEDOM TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN THAN
    MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN THAN THEY MIGHT AS DEPARTMENT
    THEY MIGHT AS DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
    EMPLOYEES. AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT
    AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT EXISTS THAT WAY.
    EXISTS THAT WAY. AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE
    AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS,
    SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS, BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GIVES
    BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE FULL
    THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE FULL PROSECUTION POWER, THE IDEA IS
    PROSECUTION POWER, THE IDEA IS TO SAY ATTORNEY GENERAL, IF YOU
    TO SAY ATTORNEY GENERAL, IF YOU START MESSING WITH THE SPECIAL
    START MESSING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE
    COUNSEL, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE PUBLIC.
    PUBLIC. THERE'S GOT TO BE SUNLIGHT ON
    THERE'S GOT TO BE SUNLIGHT ON THAT.
    THAT. AND THE ULTIMATE SAFEGUARD IS
    AND THE ULTIMATE SAFEGUARD IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING PLAY OUT
    WHAT WE'RE SEEING PLAY OUT TONIGHT, WHICH IS IF AN ATTORNEY
    TONIGHT, WHICH IS IF AN ATTORNEY GENERAL STARTS TO ABUSE THE
    GENERAL STARTS TO ABUSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S REPORT, ABUSE
    SPECIAL COUNSEL'S REPORT, ABUSE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS,
    THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S FINDINGS, THEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WILL
    THEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WILL COME FORWARD AND SHED SUNLIGHT
    COME FORWARD AND SHED SUNLIGHT INTO WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A
    INTO WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A COVER-UP.
    COVER-UP. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING
    AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE NOW, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS
    TO SEE NOW, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A COVER-UP.
    LIKE A COVER-UP. NOW IT MIGHT NOT BE.
    NOW IT MIGHT NOT BE. IT MIGHT BE THERE ARE TOTALLY
    IT MIGHT BE THERE ARE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THIS.
    LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THIS. BUT SO FAR BARR HAS GIVEN NOBODY
    BUT SO FAR BARR HAS GIVEN NOBODY ANY REASON TO THINK THAT THIS IS
    ANY REASON TO THINK THAT THIS IS ALL ON THE UP AND UP.
    ALL ON THE UP AND UP. IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S PROTECTING
    IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S PROTECTING HIS GUY, AND THAT'S WHY THE
    HIS GUY, AND THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS AND
    SPECIAL COUNSEL REGULATIONS AND INDEED ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS OF
    INDEED ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS OF PRESIDENTS SUCH AS NIXON, SUCH
    PRESIDENTS SUCH AS NIXON, SUCH AS CLINTON, THE SPECIAL
    AS CLINTON, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR REPORT COMES OUT
    PROSECUTOR REPORT COMES OUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GUARANTEES
    BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GUARANTEES PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE
    PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
    ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. AND IT'S GOT TO COME OUT NOW.
    AND IT'S GOT TO COME OUT NOW. I MEAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE
    I MEAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE THING IF BARR HADN'T WROTE THOSE
    THING IF BARR HADN'T WROTE THOSE TWO SUMMARY/NONSUMMARY, WHATEVER
    TWO SUMMARY/NONSUMMARY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT LETTERS, BUT BARR
    YOU CALL IT LETTERS, BUT BARR DID.
    DID. HE TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO CLEAR
    HE TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO CLEAR PRESIDENT TRUMP ON STUFF THAT
    PRESIDENT TRUMP ON STUFF THAT MUELLER DIDN'T CLEAR HIM ON.
    MUELLER DIDN'T CLEAR HIM ON. AND AT THAT POINT, IT STARTS TO
    AND AT THAT POINT, IT STARTS TO LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE A COVER-UP
    LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE A COVER-UP AND WHY THE REPORT HAS TO BE
    AND WHY THE REPORT HAS TO BE RELEASED.
    RELEASED. >> NEAL, BRIEFLY, ONE LAST
    >> NEAL, BRIEFLY, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS POINT ABOUT
    QUESTION ON THIS POINT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT.
    WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT. OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS AUTHORIZED
    OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS AUTHORIZED SUBPOENA TODAY IN THE JUDICIARY
    SUBPOENA TODAY IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, A LOT OF INTERESTING
    COMMITTEE, A LOT OF INTERESTING AND ACTUALLY I THOUGHT QUITE
    AND ACTUALLY I THOUGHT QUITE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION IN THE
    SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY AS TO
    JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ATTORNEY
    WHETHER OR NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO
    GENERAL IS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO BE PERSONALLY GOING THROUGH THE
    BE PERSONALLY GOING THROUGH THE MUELLER REPORT AND TAKING GRAND
    MUELLER REPORT AND TAKING GRAND JURY MATERIAL OUT OF THAT,
    JURY MATERIAL OUT OF THAT, SAYING THAT THAT CAN'T BE
    SAYING THAT THAT CAN'T BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS.
    CONVEYED TO CONGRESS. A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE
    A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT
    JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF SOME ENTITY,
    THE PROSPECT OF SOME ENTITY, MAYBE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
    MAYBE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ITSELF, SOME ENTITY GOING TO THE
    ITSELF, SOME ENTITY GOING TO THE COURT, GOING TO ASK FOR A COURT
    COURT, GOING TO ASK FOR A COURT ORDER, FILING A LAWSUIT OR
    ORDER, FILING A LAWSUIT OR MAKING A MOTION WITH THE COURT
    MAKING A MOTION WITH THE COURT SO THAT GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN
    SO THAT GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS, MUCH AS
    BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS, MUCH AS HAPPENED WITH THE WATERGATE ROAD
    HAPPENED WITH THE WATERGATE ROAD MAP IN 1974 AND WITH OTHER
    MAP IN 1974 AND WITH OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL.
    INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL. IF BARR DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT
    IF BARR DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT AND HE SO FAR HASN'T RESPONDED
    AND HE SO FAR HASN'T RESPONDED TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS
    TO CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS ASKING HIM TO MAKE THAT REQUEST
    ASKING HIM TO MAKE THAT REQUEST OF THE COURT, IS IT POSSIBLE
    OF THE COURT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MUELLER HIMSELF, THAT
    THAT MUELLER HIMSELF, THAT MUELLER'S TEAM AS THE SPECIAL
    MUELLER'S TEAM AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE COULD MAKE THAT
    COUNSEL'S OFFICE COULD MAKE THAT SORT OF A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE,
    SORT OF A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE, THAT THE GRAND JURY INFORMATION
    THAT THE GRAND JURY INFORMATION BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS?
    BE CONVEYED TO CONGRESS? >> YES, MUELLER CAN DO IT OR
    >> YES, MUELLER CAN DO IT OR CONGRESS CAN DO IT ON ITS OWN OR
    CONGRESS CAN DO IT ON ITS OWN OR EVEN A THIRD PARTY.
    EVEN A THIRD PARTY. SO BARR IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS
    SO BARR IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN'T BE
    GRAND JURY MATERIAL CAN'T BE RELEASED ABSENT A COURT ORDER.
    RELEASED ABSENT A COURT ORDER. BUT HE COULD HAVE SOUGHT THAT
    BUT HE COULD HAVE SOUGHT THAT COURT ORDER LAST MONDAY, NINE
    COURT ORDER LAST MONDAY, NINE DAYS AGO.
    DAYS AGO. AND HE HASN'T DONE IT YET.
    AND HE HASN'T DONE IT YET. SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT
    SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT GRAND JURY
    REALLY ABOUT GRAND JURY INFORMATION.
    INFORMATION. IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
    IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO
    IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT CERTAIN INFORMATION,
    PROTECT CERTAIN INFORMATION, PERHAPS DAMAGING INFORMATION
    PERHAPS DAMAGING INFORMATION FROM COMING OUT.
    FROM COMING OUT. AND IF HE ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT
    AND IF HE ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT RULE 60, HE COULD GO TO COURT
    RULE 60, HE COULD GO TO COURT TOMORROW AND GET THIS THING
    TOMORROW AND GET THIS THING LIFTED.
    LIFTED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN
    THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN WATERGATE, EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
    WATERGATE, EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, AND
    IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, AND IT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE.
    IT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE. >> NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING
    >> NEAL KATYAL, FORMER ACTING SOLICITOR GENERAL.
    SOLICITOR GENERAL. SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
    SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WEIGHING IN TONIGHT.
    WEIGHING IN TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU.
    >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO HAVE
    >> IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS.
    YOU HERE ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS. UP NEXT, THE NEWS THAT ON ANY
    UP NEXT, THE NEWS THAT ON ANY OTHER NIGHT WOULD HAVE LED THE
    OTHER NIGHT WOULD HAVE LED THE SHOW FOR A WEEK, BUT WE'LL BE
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