Rick Gates Set To Testify For Second Straight Day In Paul Manafort Case | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC

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    MIDWIN CHARLES IS AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM MIDWIN CHARLES
    WITH THE LAW FIRM MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES.
    AND ASSOCIATES. ALL RIGHT, SHANNON, WHY SHOULD
    ALL RIGHT, SHANNON, WHY SHOULD THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS HOME
    THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS HOME RIGHT NOW HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE
    RIGHT NOW HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, WHY DO
    ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, WHY DO THEY CARE ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT
    THEY CARE ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT AND RICK GATES?
    AND RICK GATES? THESE ARE JUST TWO GUYS WHO
    THESE ARE JUST TWO GUYS WHO SEEMED TO EMBEZZLE MONEY FOR
    SEEMED TO EMBEZZLE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.
    THEMSELVES. >> I WOULD SAY TO PAY ATTENTION
    >> I WOULD SAY TO PAY ATTENTION TO TODAY.
    TO TODAY. THEY WERE JUST YESTERDAY
    THEY WERE JUST YESTERDAY STARTING TO GET INTO THESE
    STARTING TO GET INTO THESE CONNECTIONS TO UKRAINE.
    CONNECTIONS TO UKRAINE. THAT COULD BE REALLY I GUESS
    THAT COULD BE REALLY I GUESS ENLIGHTENING TO SHOW JUST HOW
    ENLIGHTENING TO SHOW JUST HOW DEEPLY TIED PAUL MANAFORT WAS TO
    DEEPLY TIED PAUL MANAFORT WAS TO PRO-KREMLIN INTEREST IN UKRAINE.
    PRO-KREMLIN INTEREST IN UKRAINE. WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE $60
    WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE $60 MILLION PAYMENT.
    MILLION PAYMENT. BUT THERE IS A SENSE THAT
    BUT THERE IS A SENSE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE HERE.
    THERE'S A LOT MORE HERE. WE COULD GET A LOT MORE CLARITY
    WE COULD GET A LOT MORE CLARITY ON HOW TIED HE IS TO THE
    ON HOW TIED HE IS TO THE UKRAINE.
    UKRAINE. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT EVEN
    I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO
    THOUGH THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION, THERE IS
    WITH THE ELECTION, THERE IS NOTHING RULING OUT THAT THERE
    NOTHING RULING OUT THAT THERE WASN'T BE FURTHER INDICTMENTS
    WASN'T BE FURTHER INDICTMENTS THAT COULD COME.
    THAT COULD COME. I HAVE NO REPORTING TO INDICATE
    I HAVE NO REPORTING TO INDICATE THERE ARE ANY MORE INDICTMENTS
    THERE ARE ANY MORE INDICTMENTS COMING, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY
    COMING, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY IN
    LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY IN YOUR MIND THERE COULD STILL ALSO
    YOUR MIND THERE COULD STILL ALSO BE MORE TO COME ON MANAFORT AND
    BE MORE TO COME ON MANAFORT AND GATES AS MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION
    GATES AS MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION CONTINUES OR AS HE UNROLLS
    CONTINUES OR AS HE UNROLLS FURTHER INDICTMENTS OR FURTHER
    FURTHER INDICTMENTS OR FURTHER REPORTS.
    REPORTS. >> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A
    >> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE.
    CHANCE. WE KNOW WHAT MANAFORT'S
    WE KNOW WHAT MANAFORT'S ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO DO.
    ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO DO. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY GATES IS
    THEY'RE GOING TO SAY GATES IS THE REAL CRIMINAL HERE.
    THE REAL CRIMINAL HERE. MANAFORT WAS A BUSINESS GUY WITH
    MANAFORT WAS A BUSINESS GUY WITH COMPLICATED TAXES AND HE MADE A
    COMPLICATED TAXES AND HE MADE A COUPLE OF MISTAKES.
    COUPLE OF MISTAKES. >> OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO
    >> OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT.
    SAY THAT. THEIR JOB IS TO DEFEND MANAFORT
    THEIR JOB IS TO DEFEND MANAFORT AT PRETTY MUCH ALL COSTS HERE.
    AT PRETTY MUCH ALL COSTS HERE. HOWEVER, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW
    HOWEVER, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO FLY.
    MUCH IT'S GOING TO FLY. I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE READ
    I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT GATES' TESTIMONY, HE'S
    ABOUT GATES' TESTIMONY, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE.
    VERY CREDIBLE. >> HOLD ON, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE?
    >> HOLD ON, HE'S VERY CREDIBLE? THIS GUY LIED TO
    THIS GUY LIED TO INVESTIGATORS --
    INVESTIGATORS -- >> RIGHT.
    >> RIGHT. >> EVEN WHILE NEGOTIATING HIS
    >> EVEN WHILE NEGOTIATING HIS PLEA DEAL.
    PLEA DEAL. >> I THINK THAT MAKES HIS
    >> I THINK THAT MAKES HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT MANAFORT
    TESTIMONY ABOUT MANAFORT DIRECTING HIM TO LIE TO THE IRS,
    DIRECTING HIM TO LIE TO THE IRS, DIRECTING HIM TO CHANGE.
    DIRECTING HIM TO CHANGE. I THINK MAKES IT CREDIBLE.
    I THINK MAKES IT CREDIBLE. THIS IS A GUY WHO IS WILLING TO
    THIS IS A GUY WHO IS WILLING TO SORT OF BUCK THE SYSTEM AND
    SORT OF BUCK THE SYSTEM AND CREATE A SITUATION WHERE
    CREATE A SITUATION WHERE MANAFORT MAKES MONEY.
    MANAFORT MAKES MONEY. WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS
    WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS HE SAID ON THE STAND THAT HE
    HE SAID ON THE STAND THAT HE NEVER BENEFITED PERSONALLY FROM
    NEVER BENEFITED PERSONALLY FROM THE THINGS THAT MANAFORT
    THE THINGS THAT MANAFORT DIRECTED HIM TO DO.
    DIRECTED HIM TO DO. SO I THINK THAT -- WELL, NOT
    SO I THINK THAT -- WELL, NOT NECESSARILY.
    NECESSARILY. HE ALSO SAID HE EMBEZZLED
    HE ALSO SAID HE EMBEZZLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
    HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FROM MANAFORT HIMSELF.
    FROM MANAFORT HIMSELF. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT A
    IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT A GUY WHO'S UPRIGHT.
    GUY WHO'S UPRIGHT. THIS IS NOT A GUY, YOU KNOW, WHO
    THIS IS NOT A GUY, YOU KNOW, WHO IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LINE AND
    IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LINE AND WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF IRS AND
    WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF IRS AND WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF BANKING
    WORK WITHIN THE RULES OF BANKING LAWS.
    LAWS. >> THEN I ASK THE SAME QUESTION
    >> THEN I ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, KEN.
    TO YOU, KEN. IN TERMS OF GATES' CREDIBILITY
    IN TERMS OF GATES' CREDIBILITY HERE, HE'S A KNOWN LIAR TOO.
    HERE, HE'S A KNOWN LIAR TOO. >> THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THESE
    >> THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THESE KINDS OF CASES.
    KINDS OF CASES. WHEN YOU HAVE A COOPERATOR WHO'S
    WHEN YOU HAVE A COOPERATOR WHO'S PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY,
    PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, THEY TEND NOT TO COME FROM
    THEY TEND NOT TO COME FROM LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR.
    LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR. THEY'RE CRIMINALS.
    THEY'RE CRIMINALS. THE POINT IS THE JURY IS NOT
    THE POINT IS THE JURY IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS GUY.
    GOING TO LIKE THIS GUY. BUT THE PROSECUTION WANTS THE
    BUT THE PROSECUTION WANTS THE JURY TO BELIEVE THIS GUY.
    JURY TO BELIEVE THIS GUY. THEY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY
    THEY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY SURPRISES ON CROSS EXAMINATION.
    SURPRISES ON CROSS EXAMINATION. BUT LOOK, GATES I THINK IS A
    BUT LOOK, GATES I THINK IS A COMPELLING WITNESS.
    COMPELLING WITNESS. HE'S A MILITARY VETERAN.
    HE'S A MILITARY VETERAN. YES, HE'S A LIAR, YES, HE'S A
    YES, HE'S A LIAR, YES, HE'S A CRIMINAL, BUT THIS TRIAL IS
    CRIMINAL, BUT THIS TRIAL IS ABOUT CRIMES, IT'S ABOUT BANK
    ABOUT CRIMES, IT'S ABOUT BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD AND HE'S
    FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD AND HE'S BRINGING THE JURY INTO THE
    BRINGING THE JURY INTO THE CONSPIRACY.
    CONSPIRACY. >> SOFT TONES AND A MILITARY
    >> SOFT TONES AND A MILITARY BACKGROUND AND THEN HE APPEARED
    BACKGROUND AND THEN HE APPEARED TO HAVE FOUND A LIFE OF CRIME.
    TO HAVE FOUND A LIFE OF CRIME. WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT -- IS
    WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT -- IS THERE ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT
    THERE ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE SUPER WORRIED ABOUT?
    SHOULD BE SUPER WORRIED ABOUT? >> AT THIS POINT, NOT THAT WE
    >> AT THIS POINT, NOT THAT WE KNOW OF.
    KNOW OF. I THINK THE DYNAMICS OF THESE
    I THINK THE DYNAMICS OF THESE TWO SHOULD SHOW A DIFFERENT
    TWO SHOULD SHOW A DIFFERENT SENSE.
    SENSE. MANAFORT AND GATES -- PEOPLE HAD
    MANAFORT AND GATES -- PEOPLE HAD DESCRIBED THEM TO ME AS LIKE
    DESCRIBED THEM TO ME AS LIKE BATMAN AND ROBIN.
    BATMAN AND ROBIN. THAT GATES WAS MANAFORT'S ALLY
    THAT GATES WAS MANAFORT'S ALLY THAT NO ONE EVER EXPECTED TO
    THAT NO ONE EVER EXPECTED TO FLIP ON MANAFORT.
    FLIP ON MANAFORT. THESE INVESTIGATIONS HAVE A WAY
    THESE INVESTIGATIONS HAVE A WAY OF BREAKING DOWN OLD ALLIANCES.
    OF BREAKING DOWN OLD ALLIANCES. TRUMP AND COHEN, GATES AND
    TRUMP AND COHEN, GATES AND MANAFORT.
    MANAFORT. AS THIS INVESTIGATION PLAYS OUT
    AS THIS INVESTIGATION PLAYS OUT AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PUT UNDER
    AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PUT UNDER STRESS FROM LEGAL FEES, FROM
    STRESS FROM LEGAL FEES, FROM QUESTIONS FROM MUELLER, FROM
    QUESTIONS FROM MUELLER, FROM GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, WE'RE
    GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALLIANCES JUST LIKE
    GOING TO SEE ALLIANCES JUST LIKE THIS ONE CRUMBLE AND BREAK DOWN
    THIS ONE CRUMBLE AND BREAK DOWN AND I THINK ANYTHING GOES.
    AND I THINK ANYTHING GOES. ALL LOYALTIES ARE OFF THE TABLE
    ALL LOYALTIES ARE OFF THE TABLE AS THIS PROGRESSES.
    AS THIS PROGRESSES. >> MIDWIN, HOW MUCH IS ON THE
    >> MIDWIN, HOW MUCH IS ON THE LINE HERE?
    LINE HERE? IF THIS CASE IS SUCCESSFUL IN
    IF THIS CASE IS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING PAUL MANAFORT WHAT DOES
    GETTING PAUL MANAFORT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO MUELLER'S
    THAT DO TO MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION?
    INVESTIGATION? IF THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL, WHERE
    IF THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL, WHERE DO THEY GO?
    DO THEY GO? PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE
    PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO BE ON THE WITCH HUNT MEGA PHONE.
    ON THE WITCH HUNT MEGA PHONE. >> WHICH IS SURPRISING HE COULD
    >> WHICH IS SURPRISING HE COULD BE ANY MORE.
    BE ANY MORE. FROM WHAT WE HEARD THUS FAR.
    FROM WHAT WE HEARD THUS FAR. I THINK THAT --
    I THINK THAT -- >> HE CAN STAND ON TOP OF THE
    >> HE CAN STAND ON TOP OF THE WALL.
    WALL. >> I THINK THIS PROSECUTION
    >> I THINK THIS PROSECUTION WOULD BODE WELL FOR MUELLER IF
    WOULD BODE WELL FOR MUELLER IF HE'S SUCCESSFUL.
    HE'S SUCCESSFUL. WHAT IT WILL SAY IS LISTEN, I'VE
    WHAT IT WILL SAY IS LISTEN, I'VE DONE THE WORK AND I'VE DONE THE
    DONE THE WORK AND I'VE DONE THE DIGGING AND I THINK THAT TRUMP
    DIGGING AND I THINK THAT TRUMP WILL BE VERY NERVOUS.
    WILL BE VERY NERVOUS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RICK GATES'
    WHEN YOU LOOK AT RICK GATES' TESTIMONY, THAT'S ONE OF THE
    TESTIMONY, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TRUMP IS CONCERNED
    THINGS THAT TRUMP IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
    ABOUT. PEOPLE FLIPPING.
    PEOPLE FLIPPING. WE HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE HERE
    WE HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE HERE THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCERN
    THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCERN FOR ANYONE TO FLIP ON YOU IF
    FOR ANYONE TO FLIP ON YOU IF YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
    YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
    I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR.
    WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR. I THINK IF MUELLER SECURES A
    I THINK IF MUELLER SECURES A VICTORY HERE, AS THESE
    VICTORY HERE, AS THESE PROSECUTORS SECURE A VICTORY, IT
    PROSECUTORS SECURE A VICTORY, IT WILL GIVE THIS INVESTIGATION
    WILL GIVE THIS INVESTIGATION ADDED CREDIBILITY.
    ADDED CREDIBILITY. MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING MUELLER
    MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING MUELLER HAS GONE OFF ON A TANGENT HERE.
    HAS GONE OFF ON A TANGENT HERE. HE WAS LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR
    HE WAS LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN OUR
    NOT RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION.
    ELECTION. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO FEEL
    THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT THIS SORT OF ANGLE OF HIS
    THAT THIS SORT OF ANGLE OF HIS INVESTIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY,
    INVESTIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
    IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ORDER THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED
    THE ORDER THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
    TO DO. I THINK THAT THIS WILL GIVE HIM
    I THINK THAT THIS WILL GIVE HIM ADDITIONAL CREDIBILITY.
    ADDITIONAL CREDIBILITY. >> IF HE IS INNOCENT, WHY WOULD
    >> IF HE IS INNOCENT, WHY WOULD ONE STORY KEEP CHANGING?
    ONE STORY KEEP CHANGING? >> EXACTLY.
    >> EXACTLY. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
    >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FRICTION BETWEEN THE PROSECUTORS
    FRICTION BETWEEN THE PROSECUTORS AND THE JUDGE.
    AND THE JUDGE. >> THAT'S BEEN A RE KURRING
    >> THAT'S BEEN A RE KURRING THEME IN THIS TRIAL.
    THEME IN THIS TRIAL. THIS JUDGE LIKES TO IMPOSE HIS
    THIS JUDGE LIKES TO IMPOSE HIS WILL ON THE COURTROOM.
    WILL ON THE COURTROOM. AND WHAT SOME OBSERVERS SAY IN A
    AND WHAT SOME OBSERVERS SAY IN A VICIOUS MANNER.
    VICIOUS MANNER. AS ONE OF OUR ANALYSTS SAID --
    AS ONE OF OUR ANALYSTS SAID -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OFFICIOUS
    >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OFFICIOUS MEANS.
    MEANS. >> IT MEANS OBNOXIOUSLY IMPOSING
    >> IT MEANS OBNOXIOUSLY IMPOSING HIS AUTHORITY.
    HIS AUTHORITY. AND I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF HIS
    AND I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF HIS INTERFERENCE COMES WITH THE
    INTERFERENCE COMES WITH THE PROSECUTORS.
    PROSECUTORS. HE IS DIRECTING THEIR QUESTIONS,
    HE IS DIRECTING THEIR QUESTIONS, CRITICIZING THEIR QUESTIONS,
    CRITICIZING THEIR QUESTIONS, PREVENTING THEM FROM BRINGING
    PREVENTING THEM FROM BRINGING IN, FOR EXAMPLE, PHOTOS OF THE
    IN, FOR EXAMPLE, PHOTOS OF THE LUXURY GOODS MANAFORT PURCHASED.
    LUXURY GOODS MANAFORT PURCHASED. SOME MAY ARGUE HE'S TRYING TO
    SOME MAY ARGUE HE'S TRYING TO PROTECT THEM FROM AN APPEAL IN
    PROTECT THEM FROM AN APPEAL IN THIS CASE AND TRYING TO MOVE THE
    THIS CASE AND TRYING TO MOVE THE CASE ALONG.
    CASE ALONG. SOMETIMES BY MOVING IT ALONG,
    SOMETIMES BY MOVING IT ALONG, HE'S TAKING MORE TILE, BY
    HE'S TAKING MORE TILE, BY REQUIRING SIDE BAR ARGUMENTS AND
    REQUIRING SIDE BAR ARGUMENTS AND ASIDES BY THE JUDGE.
    ASIDES BY THE JUDGE. IT'S BEEN KIND OF MADDENING AT
    IT'S BEEN KIND OF MADDENING AT TIMES.
    TIMES. >> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
    >> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS. EVEN THOUGH MADDENING AT TIMES
    EVEN THOUGH MADDENING AT TIMES IS RUDY GIULIANI.
    IS RUDY GIULIANI. THERE'S A "WASHINGTON POST"
    THERE'S A "WASHINGTON POST" REPORT OUT THAT SAYS PRESIDENT
    REPORT OUT THAT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PUBLIC LAWYER RUDY
    TRUMP'S PUBLIC LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI WILL SEND A LETTER THAT
    GIULIANI WILL SEND A LETTER THAT WILL, QUOTE, LARGELY REBUFF
    WILL, QUOTE, LARGELY REBUFF MUELLER'S REQUEST FOR A
    MUELLER'S REQUEST FOR A PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW, ALTHOUGH
    PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW, ALTHOUGH HE WON'T FORMERLY DECLINE.
    HE WON'T FORMERLY DECLINE. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE TALKING
    WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
    ABOUT HERE? IS THIS RUDY GIULIANI JUST
    IS THIS RUDY GIULIANI JUST TRYING TO RUN THE CLOCK AND
    TRYING TO RUN THE CLOCK AND EXHAUST US?
    EXHAUST US? I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
    I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MATTERS.
    MATTERS. >> YES, IT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE
    >> YES, IT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE -- I DON'T THINK IT
    WHAT WE HAVE -- I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
    WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. WHAT DO WE HAVE LAIDLY FROM
    WHAT DO WE HAVE LAIDLY FROM DONALD TRUMP?
    DONALD TRUMP? WE HAVE HIS TWEETS.
    WE HAVE HIS TWEETS. WHO WE KNOW FROM SEAN SPICER AND
    WHO WE KNOW FROM SEAN SPICER AND THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE PRESS
    THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY, THEY ARE OFFICIAL
    SECRETARY, THEY ARE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS.
    STATEMENTS. >> WHOUZ STATEMENTS.
    >> WHOUZ STATEMENTS. >> THEY ARE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE
    >> THEY ARE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT OF
    STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
    THE UNITED STATES. HE HAS ALREADY SAID AND
    HE HAS ALREADY SAID AND ADMITTED, DESPITE THE FACT HE
    ADMITTED, DESPITE THE FACT HE SAID THAT INITIAL MEETING WAS
    SAID THAT INITIAL MEETING WAS ABOUT ADOPTIONS, WE NOW KNOW
    ABOUT ADOPTIONS, WE NOW KNOW FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT WAS
    FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT WAS ABOUT GETTING OPPOSITION
    ABOUT GETTING OPPOSITION INFORMATION FROM A FOREIGN
    INFORMATION FROM A FOREIGN ENTITY.
    ENTITY. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.
    SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. GIULIANI CAN SAY ALL THE LETTERS
    GIULIANI CAN SAY ALL THE LETTERS HE WANTS TO MUELLER.
    HE WANTS TO MUELLER. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS
    AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FROM
    ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE FROM TRUMP'S MOUTH OF HIS OWN DOING
    TRUMP'S MOUTH OF HIS OWN DOING THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON
    THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON OR PERHAPS THERE WAS EVIDENCE.
    OR PERHAPS THERE WAS EVIDENCE. >> YESTERDAY DON JR. TOLD LAURA
    >> YESTERDAY DON JR. TOLD LAURA INGRAHAM IT WAS A BAIT AND
    INGRAHAM IT WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH.
    SWITCH. ONCE MEETING STARTED, THEY
    ONCE MEETING STARTED, THEY DISCUSSED ADOPTION.
    DISCUSSED ADOPTION. NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
    NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE. REMEMBER, IT WAS NEVER REALLY
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