Omarosa Manigault: Michael Cohen Plea Is 'The Beginning Of The End' | Hallie Jackson | MSNBC

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    SHARING THE THINGS. MORE IMPORTANTLY --
    MORE IMPORTANTLY -- >> THAT IS FROM THE CAMPAIGN.
    >> THAT IS FROM THE CAMPAIGN. >> -- IT IS EXPOSING THE --
    >> -- IT IS EXPOSING THE -- >> YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE
    >> YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN AND HEARD DURING YOUR TIME
    SEEN AND HEARD DURING YOUR TIME WORKING WITH THEN-CANDIDATE
    WORKING WITH THEN-CANDIDATE TRUMP.
    TRUMP. YOU TALKED ABOUT KNOWING
    YOU TALKED ABOUT KNOWING EVERYONE KNEW THE MONEY WAS
    EVERYONE KNEW THE MONEY WAS GOING TO STORMY DANIELS AS HUSH
    GOING TO STORMY DANIELS AS HUSH MONEY.
    MONEY. >> LET ME TALK POST CAMPAIGN, AS
    >> LET ME TALK POST CAMPAIGN, AS I SAID, TO AVOID VIOLATING THE
    I SAID, TO AVOID VIOLATING THE ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS I'M IN.
    ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS I'M IN. AFTER THE CAMPAIGN, WHEN THESE
    AFTER THE CAMPAIGN, WHEN THESE THINGS CAME TO LIGHT, BY THAT
    THINGS CAME TO LIGHT, BY THAT POINT, WE WERE IN THE WHITE
    POINT, WE WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
    HOUSE. THEY STARTED TO ASK US, DID YOU
    THEY STARTED TO ASK US, DID YOU KNOW?
    KNOW? DID YOU KNOW?
    DID YOU KNOW? CERTAINLY, THE PEOPLE IN THE
    CERTAINLY, THE PEOPLE IN THE CAMPAIGN WERE AWARE.
    CAMPAIGN WERE AWARE. >> DID IVANKA TRUMP, FOR
    >> DID IVANKA TRUMP, FOR EXAMPLE, KNOW?
    EXAMPLE, KNOW? DID JARED KUSHNER.
    DID JARED KUSHNER. >> I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I KNEW.
    >> I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I KNEW. >> DO YOU BELIEVE THEY KNEW?
    >> DO YOU BELIEVE THEY KNEW? >> I DON'T DOUBT THEY KNEW.
    >> I DON'T DOUBT THEY KNEW. THEY WERE PART OF THE COVERUP TO
    THEY WERE PART OF THE COVERUP TO KEEP THEIR PRESIDENT -- THEIR
    KEEP THEIR PRESIDENT -- THEIR FATHER FROM BEING EXPOSED.
    FATHER FROM BEING EXPOSED. >> HOW?
    >> HOW? >> AS THE PERSON WHO WOULD GO ON
    >> AS THE PERSON WHO WOULD GO ON AND CHEAT ON HIS WIFE A MONTH
    AND CHEAT ON HIS WIFE A MONTH AFTER SHE HAD A BABY, GO ON AND
    AFTER SHE HAD A BABY, GO ON AND GET INVOLVED WITH A PORN STAR,
    GET INVOLVED WITH A PORN STAR, AS WELL AS A PLAYBOY PLAY MATE,
    AS WELL AS A PLAYBOY PLAY MATE, THEN TRY TO COVER IT UP.
    THEN TRY TO COVER IT UP. >> WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE OF
    >> WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE OF THAT?
    THAT? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY
    DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF
    WERE INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF COVERUP?
    COVERUP? >> WELL, AS I STATED, THE THINGS
    >> WELL, AS I STATED, THE THINGS IN THE CAMPAIGN, I CAN'T
    IN THE CAMPAIGN, I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY --
    SPECIFICALLY -- >> I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THAT.
    >> I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT MATERIALS YOU MAY OR MAY
    WHAT MATERIALS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.
    NOT HAVE. >> THERE ARE TONS OF MATERIALS
    >> THERE ARE TONS OF MATERIALS I'M SURE THE INVESTIGATORS
    I'M SURE THE INVESTIGATORS ALREADY HAVE.
    ALREADY HAVE. PARTICULARLY THE E-MAILS AND --
    PARTICULARLY THE E-MAILS AND -- >> BECAUSE YOU GAVE IT TO YOU?
    >> BECAUSE YOU GAVE IT TO YOU? >> HALLIE, NOT BEING COY.
    >> HALLIE, NOT BEING COY. YOU KNOW I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE
    YOU KNOW I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE THINGS FROM THE CAMPAIGN.
    THINGS FROM THE CAMPAIGN. >> LET ME ASK YOU --
    >> LET ME ASK YOU -- >> LET'S NOT GO IN CIRCLES AND
    >> LET'S NOT GO IN CIRCLES AND HAVE A GOOD INTERVIEW.
    HAVE A GOOD INTERVIEW. YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF THE
    YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF THE INFILTRATION FROM THE LEGAL
    INFILTRATION FROM THE LEGAL TEAM --
    TEAM -- >> LET ME --
    >> LET ME -- >> BY THE WAY, WE HAVE --
    >> BY THE WAY, WE HAVE -- >> SOMETHING ELSE HERE, MICHAEL
    >> SOMETHING ELSE HERE, MICHAEL COHEN AND DONALD TRUMP, IF YOU
    COHEN AND DONALD TRUMP, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
    DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU KNEW OR DID NOT KNOW ABOUT
    YOU KNEW OR DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY DURING THE
    THE HUSH MONEY DURING THE CAMPAIGN, LET ME ASK THIS, WHY
    CAMPAIGN, LET ME ASK THIS, WHY BRING IT UP ON "HARDBALL "?
    BRING IT UP ON "HARDBALL "? >> FIRST OF ALL, IT WASCONTEXT.
    >> FIRST OF ALL, IT WASCONTEXT. TO SAY, WHY BRING IT UP, I THINK
    TO SAY, WHY BRING IT UP, I THINK IT IS UNFAIR.
    IT IS UNFAIR. >> IF YOU'RE HINTING
    >> IF YOU'RE HINTING SOMETHING --
    SOMETHING -- >> I ANSWERED IT DIRECTLY.
    >> I ANSWERED IT DIRECTLY. >> WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT
    >> WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT?
    THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT? >> THAT'S DURING THE CAMPAIGN,
    >> THAT'S DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
    SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. >> DID YOU KNOW BEFORE THE NEWS
    >> DID YOU KNOW BEFORE THE NEWS BROKE AFTER THE CAMPAIGN?
    BROKE AFTER THE CAMPAIGN? >> LOOK AT YOU, SO CUTE.
    >> LOOK AT YOU, SO CUTE. LET'S TALK ABOUT --
    LET'S TALK ABOUT -- >> THAT'S A LITTLE --
    >> THAT'S A LITTLE -- >> -- MICHAEL COHEN, WHO I HAVE
    >> -- MICHAEL COHEN, WHO I HAVE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH DURING
    HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH DURING THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS --
    THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS -- >> WHY SHOULD HE BE CREDIBLE?
    >> WHY SHOULD HE BE CREDIBLE? >> HE IS CREDIBLE BECAUSE DONALD
    >> HE IS CREDIBLE BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP TRUSTED HIM WITH HIS MOST
    TRUMP TRUSTED HIM WITH HIS MOST INTIMATE PROJECTS.
    INTIMATE PROJECTS. HE ASKED TO FIX AND SORT OUT
    HE ASKED TO FIX AND SORT OUT SITUATIONS FOR HIM.
    SITUATIONS FOR HIM. IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WATCH
    IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WATCH PEOPLE TRY TO DEMONIZE MICHAEL
    PEOPLE TRY TO DEMONIZE MICHAEL COHEN WHEN HE WAS DOING WHAT HE
    COHEN WHEN HE WAS DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD.
    WAS TOLD. IN "UNHINGED" I TALK ABOUT THE A
    IN "UNHINGED" I TALK ABOUT THE A DONALD TRUMP DIRECTING COHEN TO
    DONALD TRUMP DIRECTING COHEN TO PAY THE PAYMENT.
    PAY THE PAYMENT. HERE, IT IS COMING TO FRUITION.
    HERE, IT IS COMING TO FRUITION. >> WHY WOULD MICHAEL COHEN,
    >> WHY WOULD MICHAEL COHEN, GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
    GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL COHEN
    HERE, YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL COHEN IS CREDIBLE.
    IS CREDIBLE. >> I DO.
    >> I DO. >> WHY WOULD HE TAKE OUT A
    >> WHY WOULD HE TAKE OUT A PERSONAL LOAN TO HELP DONALD
    PERSONAL LOAN TO HELP DONALD TRUMP COVER UP THE ALLEGED
    TRUMP COVER UP THE ALLEGED AFFAIRS?
    AFFAIRS? >> HE WAS SO LOYAL TO DONALD
    >> HE WAS SO LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP.
    TRUMP. TO SEE THAT TWEET THIS MORPNING
    TO SEE THAT TWEET THIS MORPNING FROM THE PRESIDENT SAYING HE WAS
    FROM THE PRESIDENT SAYING HE WAS A BAD LAWYER, THAT SPEAKS MORE
    A BAD LAWYER, THAT SPEAKS MORE TO DONALD TRUMP THAN MICHAEL
    TO DONALD TRUMP THAN MICHAEL COHEN.
    COHEN. I'D PUSH BACK ON THE ASSERTIONS.
    I'D PUSH BACK ON THE ASSERTIONS. MICHAEL COHEN WAS EFFECTIVE AT
    MICHAEL COHEN WAS EFFECTIVE AT CARRYING OUT THE THINGS THAT
    CARRYING OUT THE THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM AND
    DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM AND ASKED HIM TO DO.
    ASKED HIM TO DO. I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO
    I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
    NOTE. DONALD TRUMP WENT BACK TO HIM
    DONALD TRUMP WENT BACK TO HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN, NOT JUST THE
    AGAIN AND AGAIN, NOT JUST THE WOMEN YOU KNOW, BUT WOMEN YOU
    WOMEN YOU KNOW, BUT WOMEN YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW.
    MAY NOT EVEN KNOW. DONALD TRUMP SHOULD BE CAREFUL
    DONALD TRUMP SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHEN IT COMES TO MICHAEL TOEN.CO
    WHEN IT COMES TO MICHAEL TOEN.CO HE KNOWS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT ALL
    HE KNOWS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT ALL THE BEHAVIOR DONALD TRUMP WAS
    THE BEHAVIOR DONALD TRUMP WAS ENGAGED IN.
    ENGAGED IN. >> YOU HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT
    >> YOU HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS DIRECTING COHEN
    DONALD TRUMP WAS DIRECTING COHEN TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS.
    TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS. >> HE WAS --
    >> HE WAS -- >> HOW DID YOU BECOME AWARE?
    >> HOW DID YOU BECOME AWARE? >> I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE TRUMP
    >> I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE TRUMP WORLD FOR 15 YEARS.
    WORLD FOR 15 YEARS. >> IS THIS THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE
    >> IS THIS THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE OR CONVERSATIONS?
    OR CONVERSATIONS? >> I WANT TO ANSWER THE
    >> I WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE FIRST ONE.
    QUESTION, THE FIRST ONE. >> I'M ASKING.
    >> I'M ASKING. >> THE FIRST QUESTION YOU ASKED
    >> THE FIRST QUESTION YOU ASKED IS HOW WOULD I KNOW?
    IS HOW WOULD I KNOW? I WORKED WITH MICHAEL COHEN IN
    I WORKED WITH MICHAEL COHEN IN SO MANY DIFFERENT ROLES, AS YOU
    SO MANY DIFFERENT ROLES, AS YOU KNOW.
    KNOW. DONALD TRUMP PRODUCED A REALITY
    DONALD TRUMP PRODUCED A REALITY SHOW FOR ME.
    SHOW FOR ME. YOU MAY NOT KNOW I ALSO WENT, AT
    YOU MAY NOT KNOW I ALSO WENT, AT THE DIRECTION OF TRUMP NEW
    THE DIRECTION OF TRUMP NEW MEXICO, TO WORK FOR AMI AND
    MEXICO, TO WORK FOR AMI AND DAVID PECKER, ALSO INVOLVED IN
    DAVID PECKER, ALSO INVOLVED IN THE STORMY DANIELS DEAL.
    THE STORMY DANIELS DEAL. I KNOW A GREAT DEAL ABOUT HOW
    I KNOW A GREAT DEAL ABOUT HOW TRUMP WORLD WORKS AND HOW DONALD
    TRUMP WORLD WORKS AND HOW DONALD TRUMP OPERATES.
    TRUMP OPERATES. WHEN DONALD TRUMP ASKED MICHAEL
    WHEN DONALD TRUMP ASKED MICHAEL COHEN TO DO SOMETHING, FOR
    COHEN TO DO SOMETHING, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY CASE, WORK ON A
    INSTANCE, IN MY CASE, WORK ON A TELEVISION SHOW OR WORK ON
    TELEVISION SHOW OR WORK ON GETTING ME A DEAL WITH AMI, WHEN
    GETTING ME A DEAL WITH AMI, WHEN MICHAEL COHEN IS DIRECTED TO DO
    MICHAEL COHEN IS DIRECTED TO DO THAT, HE DOES THAT, AND HE DOES
    THAT, HE DOES THAT, AND HE DOES IT WELL, IN TERMS OF CARRYING
    IT WELL, IN TERMS OF CARRYING THE THINGS OUT.
    THE THINGS OUT. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UNFOLD IS
    WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UNFOLD IS AMERICA COMING TO KNOW ABOUT THE
    AMERICA COMING TO KNOW ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS OF TRUMP WORLD.
    INNER WORKINGS OF TRUMP WORLD. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH
    THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH MICHAEL COHEN.
    MICHAEL COHEN. >> YOU SAID THIS IS THE
    >> YOU SAID THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE
    BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
    TRUMP PRESIDENCY. COMING FROM A FORMER WHITE HOUSE
    COMING FROM A FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL, HIGH-LEVEL OFFICIAL,
    OFFICIAL, HIGH-LEVEL OFFICIAL, THAT IS A SERIOUS STATEMENT.
    THAT IS A SERIOUS STATEMENT. >> YEAH.
    >> YEAH. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
    >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF TO BACK IT UP?
    DO YOU HAVE PROOF TO BACK IT UP? >> WELL, THE PROOF IS IN THE
    >> WELL, THE PROOF IS IN THE INDICTMENTS, IN THE GUILTY
    INDICTMENTS, IN THE GUILTY FINDINGS OF MANAFORT'S CASE.
    FINDINGS OF MANAFORT'S CASE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, UNDER OATH,
    MORE IMPORTANTLY, UNDER OATH, MICHAEL COHEN STATED THAT HE WAS
    MICHAEL COHEN STATED THAT HE WAS DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE
    DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE THESE
    UNITED STATES TO MAKE THESE ILLEGAL PAYMENTS.
    ILLEGAL PAYMENTS. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE
    THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END.
    END. I WILL SAY THAT WE MIGHT BE IN
    I WILL SAY THAT WE MIGHT BE IN THE SECOND QUARTER.
    THE SECOND QUARTER. YOU'LL SEE SO MANY OTHER THINGS
    YOU'LL SEE SO MANY OTHER THINGS UNFOLD.
    UNFOLD. MARK YESTERDAY AS AN IMPORTANT
    MARK YESTERDAY AS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT IN THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
    MOMENT IN THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. >> I'M NOT ASKING NAMES BUT HAVE
    >> I'M NOT ASKING NAMES BUT HAVE YOU TALKED WITH FORMER
    YOU TALKED WITH FORMER COLLEAGUES IN THE WHITE HOUSE
    COLLEAGUES IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE THIS WENT DOWN THE LAST 24
    SINCE THIS WENT DOWN THE LAST 24 HOURS?
    HOURS? >> YES.
    >> YES. I TALKED TO MANY OF THEM, AND
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