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    /S >> HI, EVERYONE.
    >> HI, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
    IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. IT'S
    IT'S IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL TWEET THAT
    IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL TWEET THAT MAY AMOUNT TO A SMOKING GUN INTO
    MAY AMOUNT TO A SMOKING GUN INTO THE INVESTIGATION WHETHER DONALD
    THE INVESTIGATION WHETHER DONALD TRUMP, JR. CONSPIRED WITH THE
    TRUMP, JR. CONSPIRED WITH THE RUSSIANS TO IMPACT THE 2016
    RUSSIANS TO IMPACT THE 2016 ELECTION AND WHETHER THE
    ELECTION AND WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES OBSTRUCTED
    PRESIDENT'S AIDES OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE WHEN THEY LIED ABOUT THE
    JUSTICE WHEN THEY LIED ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING BEING ABOUT
    TRUMP TOWER MEETING BEING ABOUT ADOPTION.
    ADOPTION. WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW
    WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER
    SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER UP IN THE AIR, PRESIDENT TRUMP
    UP IN THE AIR, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING HIS BEST TO ANSWER AS
    IS DOING HIS BEST TO ANSWER AS MANY OF ROBERT MUELLER'S
    MANY OF ROBERT MUELLER'S QUESTIONS ON TWITTER AS
    QUESTIONS ON TWITTER AS POSSIBLE.
    POSSIBLE. TWEETING A CONFIRMATION THAT HIS
    TWEETING A CONFIRMATION THAT HIS SON DID INDEED MEET WITH
    SON DID INDEED MEET WITH RUSSIANS TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY
    RUSSIANS TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
    CLINTON. PRESIDENT WRITING, QUOTE, THIS
    PRESIDENT WRITING, QUOTE, THIS WAS A MEETING TO GET INFORMATION
    WAS A MEETING TO GET INFORMATION ON AN OPPONENT, TOTALLY LEGAL
    ON AN OPPONENT, TOTALLY LEGAL AND DONE ALL THE TIME IN
    AND DONE ALL THE TIME IN POLITICS -- AND IT WENT NOWHERE.
    POLITICS -- AND IT WENT NOWHERE. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT.
    I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. "THE NEW YORK TIMES" FACT CHECKS
    "THE NEW YORK TIMES" FACT CHECKS THAT FOR US WRITING, IT IS
    THAT FOR US WRITING, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR A CAMPAIGN TO ACCEPT
    ILLEGAL FOR A CAMPAIGN TO ACCEPT HELP FROM A FOREIGN INDIVIDUAL
    HELP FROM A FOREIGN INDIVIDUAL OR GOVERNMENT.
    OR GOVERNMENT. THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SON HAVE
    THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SON HAVE MAINTAINED THAT THE CAMPAIGN DID
    MAINTAINED THAT THE CAMPAIGN DID NOT ULTIMATELY RECEIVE ANY
    NOT ULTIMATELY RECEIVE ANY DAMAGING MATERIALS ABOUT
    DAMAGING MATERIALS ABOUT MRS. CLINTON AS A RESULT OF THE
    MRS. CLINTON AS A RESULT OF THE MEETING.
    MEETING. BUT SOME LEGAL EXPERTS CONTEND
    BUT SOME LEGAL EXPERTS CONTEND THAT BY SIMPLY SITTING FOR THE
    THAT BY SIMPLY SITTING FOR THE MEETING, DONALD TRUMP, JR. BROKE
    MEETING, DONALD TRUMP, JR. BROKE THE LAW.
    THE LAW. ASIDE FROM BEING ILLEGAL, THE
    ASIDE FROM BEING ILLEGAL, THE PRESIDENT IS ALSO WRONG ABOUT
    PRESIDENT IS ALSO WRONG ABOUT SUCH MEETINGS BEING DONE ALL THE
    SUCH MEETINGS BEING DONE ALL THE TIME IN POLITICS.
    TIME IN POLITICS. THEY ARE NOT.
    THEY ARE NOT. BUT HIS TWEET SIGNALS GROWING
    BUT HIS TWEET SIGNALS GROWING PANIC FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF
    PANIC FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF AND THERE MAY VERY WELL BE AMPLE
    AND THERE MAY VERY WELL BE AMPLE CAUSE FOR HIS CONCERN.
    CAUSE FOR HIS CONCERN. A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP
    A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP LEGAL EFFORT TELLS ME TODAY THAT
    LEGAL EFFORT TELLS ME TODAY THAT THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT SINCE
    THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT SINCE THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, HIS
    THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, HIS EFFORTS TO COVER UP THE REAL
    EFFORTS TO COVER UP THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND
    PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND CONVERSATIONS HE HAS HAD WITH
    CONVERSATIONS HE HAS HAD WITH WHITE HOUSE AIDES ABOUT IT POINT
    WHITE HOUSE AIDES ABOUT IT POINT TO AN INCREASING LIKELIHOOD THE
    TO AN INCREASING LIKELIHOOD THE PRESIDENT COULD BE VULNERABLE TO
    PRESIDENT COULD BE VULNERABLE TO CHARGES OF WITNESS TAMPERING AND
    CHARGES OF WITNESS TAMPERING AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
    OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. IT ALSO BRINGS BACK INTO FOCUS
    IT ALSO BRINGS BACK INTO FOCUS THE ONGOING LEGAL JEOPARDY
    THE ONGOING LEGAL JEOPARDY FACING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS
    FACING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TO ROBERT
    WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TO ROBERT MUELLER ABOUT THE CRAFTING OF
    MUELLER ABOUT THE CRAFTING OF THE ORIGINAL FALSE STATEMENT AND
    THE ORIGINAL FALSE STATEMENT AND ANY CONVERSATIONS THEY MAY HAVE
    ANY CONVERSATIONS THEY MAY HAVE HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT
    HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONY.
    THEIR TESTIMONY. WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, WE
    WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, WE WONDERED WHAT DID HOPE HICKS AND
    WONDERED WHAT DID HOPE HICKS AND THE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT ON THE
    THE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT ON THE PLANE THIS WEEKEND?
    PLANE THIS WEEKEND? JOINING US TO DISCUSS THAT AND
    JOINING US TO DISCUSS THAT AND ALL THE DAY'S DEVELOPMENTS, SOME
    ALL THE DAY'S DEVELOPMENTS, SOME OF OUR FAVORITE FRIENDS AND
    OF OUR FAVORITE FRIENDS AND REPORTERS.
    REPORTERS. MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST
    MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT
    FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTER
    DIRECTOR FOR COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI.
    INTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI. AARON BLAKE, SENIOR POLITICAL
    AARON BLAKE, SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST
    REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST AND HERE AT THE TABLE ANITA
    AND HERE AT THE TABLE ANITA KUMAR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
    KUMAR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR McCLATCHY AND NBC AND MSNBC
    FOR McCLATCHY AND NBC AND MSNBC NEWS ANALYST JOHN HEILMAN.
    NEWS ANALYST JOHN HEILMAN. THANK YOU FOR ANCHORING THURSDAY
    THANK YOU FOR ANCHORING THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
    AND FRIDAY. >> IT WAS MY PLEASURE.
    >> IT WAS MY PLEASURE. YOU HAVE THE BEST AUDIENCE IN
    YOU HAVE THE BEST AUDIENCE IN THE BUSINESS.
    THE BUSINESS. THEY ARE SO, GREAT AUDIENCE,
    THEY ARE SO, GREAT AUDIENCE, GREAT GUESTS AND GREAT STAFF.
    GREAT GUESTS AND GREAT STAFF. THE STAFF ON THE SHOW, SO TOP
    THE STAFF ON THE SHOW, SO TOP NOTCH.
    NOTCH. >> I LOVE ALL THE LOVE FOR YOU.
    >> I LOVE ALL THE LOVE FOR YOU. I'M GOING TO START, THOUGH, WITH
    I'M GOING TO START, THOUGH, WITH YOU, FRANK FIGLIUZZI.
    YOU, FRANK FIGLIUZZI. THIS SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP
    THIS SOURCE CLOSE TO THE TRUMP LEGAL TEAM AND STILL IN CONTACT
    LEGAL TEAM AND STILL IN CONTACT WITH MEMBERS OF IT PAST AND
    WITH MEMBERS OF IT PAST AND CURRENT TELLING ME THAT THE
    CURRENT TELLING ME THAT THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT AND THE FACT
    PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT AND THE FACT THAT HE'S THRUSTING THIS TRUMP
    THAT HE'S THRUSTING THIS TRUMP TOWER MEETING THE LIES TOLD
    TOWER MEETING THE LIES TOLD ABOUT IT, THE ACTUAL GENESIS OF
    ABOUT IT, THE ACTUAL GENESIS OF IT BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT
    IT BACK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT SUGGESTS THAT HE MAY HAVE SOME
    SUGGESTS THAT HE MAY HAVE SOME INCREASING AWARENESS EITHER
    INCREASING AWARENESS EITHER CONSCIOUS OR SUBCONSCIOUS OF HIS
    CONSCIOUS OR SUBCONSCIOUS OF HIS OWN LEGAL JEOPARDY.
    OWN LEGAL JEOPARDY. >> YEAH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING'S
    >> YEAH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING'S PARTICULARLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN
    PARTICULARLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, NICOLLE.
    OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, NICOLLE. AND WHILE WE'D BE ENGAGING IN
    AND WHILE WE'D BE ENGAGING IN CONJECTURE, I THINK IT'S MORE
    CONJECTURE, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST MEDIA COVERAGE OF
    THAN JUST MEDIA COVERAGE OF THIS.
    THIS. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE
    I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON HERE.
    GOING ON HERE. HE MAY SENSE OR EVEN HAVE
    HE MAY SENSE OR EVEN HAVE INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS DON
    INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS DON JUNIOR IS CRIMINALLY EXPOSED AND
    JUNIOR IS CRIMINALLY EXPOSED AND LOOKING AT A TARGET LETTER OR
    LOOKING AT A TARGET LETTER OR SOME FORM OF GRAND JURY
    SOME FORM OF GRAND JURY PROCEEDING.
    PROCEEDING. IT MAY BE THAT HE'S HEARD
    IT MAY BE THAT HE'S HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT COHEN AND THE
    SOMETHING ABOUT COHEN AND THE VERACITY OF COHEN'S ASSERTION
    VERACITY OF COHEN'S ASSERTION ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING,
    ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, AND THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW
    AND THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT IT.
    ABOUT IT. SOMETHING DIRECTLY HAS HIM
    SOMETHING DIRECTLY HAS HIM SPOOKED.
    SPOOKED. BUT IT'S CAUSED HIM TO MAKE A
    BUT IT'S CAUSED HIM TO MAKE A TACTICAL ERROR, WHICH IS TO COME
    TACTICAL ERROR, WHICH IS TO COME OUT AND ESSENTIALLY THROW HIS
    OUT AND ESSENTIALLY THROW HIS SON AND HIS SON-IN-LAW UNDER THE
    SON AND HIS SON-IN-LAW UNDER THE BUS AND SAY, YES, THEY WERE
    BUS AND SAY, YES, THEY WERE THERE TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY
    THERE TO GET DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
    CLINTON. >> OKAY.
    >> OKAY. JOINING JARED AND HIS SON UNDER
    JOINING JARED AND HIS SON UNDER THE BUS WAS JAY SEKULOW, ONE OF
    THE BUS WAS JAY SEKULOW, ONE OF HIS LAST REMAINING TV LAWYERS
    HIS LAST REMAINING TV LAWYERS OTHER THAN RUDY GIULIANI WHO MAY
    OTHER THAN RUDY GIULIANI WHO MAY JUST HAVE THE TV PART OF THAT
    JUST HAVE THE TV PART OF THAT JOB.
    JOB. LET'S LOOK AT HIS STATEMENTS NOW
    LET'S LOOK AT HIS STATEMENTS NOW RENDERED AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN
    RENDERED AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION
    ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW
    ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING.
    ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING --
    >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING,
    WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MEETING, GEORGE, THAT TOOK PLACE A YEAR
    GEORGE, THAT TOOK PLACE A YEAR BEFORE, NOW TWO YEARS AGO, THE
    BEFORE, NOW TWO YEARS AGO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT LAW, STATUTE,
    QUESTION IS WHAT LAW, STATUTE, RULE OR REGULATION HAS BEEN
    RULE OR REGULATION HAS BEEN VIOLATED.
    VIOLATED. NO ONE HAS POINTED TO ONE.
    NO ONE HAS POINTED TO ONE. >> THEY POINTED TO "OLYMPIC
    >> THEY POINTED TO "OLYMPIC ZONE" SPIR SI TO DEE FRAUTD THE
    ZONE" SPIR SI TO DEE FRAUTD THE UNITED STATES.
    UNITED STATES. THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE
    THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE CHARGE.
    CHARGE. AIDING AND ABETTING A
    AIDING AND ABETTING A CONSPIRACY.
    CONSPIRACY. >> DO YOU BUY THAT'S A SERIOUS
    >> DO YOU BUY THAT'S A SERIOUS RISK FOR DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND
    RISK FOR DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND JARED, FRANK?
    JARED, FRANK? >> LET ME TELL YOU, JAY SEKULOW
    >> LET ME TELL YOU, JAY SEKULOW IS TELLING ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ED
    IS TELLING ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ED IF RALEIGH ALEXIS CAMPAIGN LAWS,
    IF RALEIGH ALEXIS CAMPAIGN LAWS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MORE OF A
    PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN WE REALIZE.
    PROBLEM THAN WE REALIZE. OF COURSE IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
    OF COURSE IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. THERE IS A CONSPIRACY ASPECT
    THERE IS A CONSPIRACY ASPECT EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
    EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE HAVE COMMUNICATION FROM DON
    WE HAVE COMMUNICATION FROM DON JUNIOR SAYING, I LOVE IT, IN
    JUNIOR SAYING, I LOVE IT, IN RESPONSE TO THERE'S DIRT ON
    RESPONSE TO THERE'S DIRT ON HILLARY AND HE SHOWS UP FOR THE
    HILLARY AND HE SHOWS UP FOR THE MEETING, THERE'S A LEGAL PROBLEM
    MEETING, THERE'S A LEGAL PROBLEM TO THAT.
    TO THAT. SEKULOW IS JUST IN ANOTHER
    SEKULOW IS JUST IN ANOTHER PLANET AT THIS POINT.
    PLANET AT THIS POINT. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMEONE
    >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE WHO MAY WISH HE'S ON
    ELSE WHO MAY WISH HE'S ON ANOTHER PLANET.
    ANOTHER PLANET. THE THEORY WAS POSITED TO ME
    THE THEORY WAS POSITED TO ME THAT HOPE HICKS, BETWEEN THE
    THAT HOPE HICKS, BETWEEN THE TIME THAT SHE WAS KNOWN TO HAVE
    TIME THAT SHE WAS KNOWN TO HAVE GONE BEFORE MUELLER'S
    GONE BEFORE MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS AND THE TIME THAT
    INVESTIGATORS AND THE TIME THAT SHE ULTIMATELY LEFT THE WHITE
    SHE ULTIMATELY LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE, MAY HAVE HAD A FEW
    HOUSE, MAY HAVE HAD A FEW CHALLENGES IN THE WORKPLACE.
    CHALLENGES IN THE WORKPLACE. ONE, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN QUERIED
    ONE, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN QUERIED BY THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT SHE
    BY THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID TO ROBERT MUELLER'S
    SAID TO ROBERT MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS.
    INVESTIGATORS. TWO, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN
    TWO, SHE MAY HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED EITHER BY MUELLER'S
    CONFRONTED EITHER BY MUELLER'S INVESTIGATORS OR BACK CHANNEL
    INVESTIGATORS OR BACK CHANNEL CONVERSATIONS THAT HER LAWYER
    CONVERSATIONS THAT HER LAWYER HAD WITH OTHER LAWYERS, THAT HER
    HAD WITH OTHER LAWYERS, THAT HER ACCOUNTS WEREN'T NECESSARILY IN
    ACCOUNTS WEREN'T NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH THOSE GIVEN BY OTHER
    LINE WITH THOSE GIVEN BY OTHER PEOPLE.
    PEOPLE. I THINK THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE.
    I THINK THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE. HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE
    HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN AND JOSH
    PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN AND JOSH RAFAEL, JAMES BERMAN WHO WAS
    RAFAEL, JAMES BERMAN WHO WAS DEPUTY IN THE COUNSEL'S OFFICE
    DEPUTY IN THE COUNSEL'S OFFICE WHO WERE ADDED TO BOB MUELLER'S
    WHO WERE ADDED TO BOB MUELLER'S LIST OF PEOPLE HE WANTED TO
    LIST OF PEOPLE HE WANTED TO INTERVIEW SOMETIME AROUND THAT
    INTERVIEW SOMETIME AROUND THAT PERIOD AFTER THE STATEMENT WAS
    PERIOD AFTER THE STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE.
    CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE. DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY
    DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY SCENARIO WHERE HOPE HICKS HAS
    SCENARIO WHERE HOPE HICKS HAS NOW OFFERED TO COOPERATE OR
    NOW OFFERED TO COOPERATE OR OFFERED SOMETHING UP TO BOB
    OFFERED SOMETHING UP TO BOB MUELLER IF SHE DID, IN FACT,
    MUELLER IF SHE DID, IN FACT, GIVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT
    GIVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT ACCOUNT OR IF SHE DID HAVE TO
    ACCOUNT OR IF SHE DID HAVE TO CALL AND SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT
    CALL AND SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD ASKED HER ABOUT HER
    HAD ASKED HER ABOUT HER TESTIMONY?
    TESTIMONY? >> THE WAY THIS USUALLY WORKS,
    >> THE WAY THIS USUALLY WORKS, NICOLLE, IS THAT SUCH A PERSON,
    NICOLLE, IS THAT SUCH A PERSON, A WITNESS IS CALLED IN AND GIVEN
    A WITNESS IS CALLED IN AND GIVEN A SHOT.
    A SHOT. LOOK, YOU'VE GIVEN US
    LOOK, YOU'VE GIVEN US INFORMATION THAT'S INCONSISTENT
    INFORMATION THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHERS ARE TELLING US.
    WITH WHAT OTHERS ARE TELLING US. THERE IS A VERACITY PROBLEM HERE
    THERE IS A VERACITY PROBLEM HERE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY FACING A
    AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY FACING A VIOLATION OF USC SECTION 1001
    VIOLATION OF USC SECTION 1001 LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT.
    LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE SHOT
    WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE SHOT TO CORRECT THAT AND COOPERATE.
    TO CORRECT THAT AND COOPERATE. SHE EITHER HAS OR SHE HASN'T.
    SHE EITHER HAS OR SHE HASN'T. THE MYSTERIOUS APPEARANCE OVER
    THE MYSTERIOUS APPEARANCE OVER THE WEEKEND ON AIR FORCE ONE IS
    THE WEEKEND ON AIR FORCE ONE IS A HEAD SCRATCHER TO ME.
    A HEAD SCRATCHER TO ME. AND I HOPE THAT NO ONE IS
    AND I HOPE THAT NO ONE IS ATTEMPTING TO TAMMERPER WITH THI
    ATTEMPTING TO TAMMERPER WITH THI WITNESS BECAUSE THAT IS A
    WITNESS BECAUSE THAT IS A SERIOUS FEDERAL VIOLATION.
    SERIOUS FEDERAL VIOLATION. >> AARON BLAKE, WE KNOW FROM
    >> AARON BLAKE, WE KNOW FROM REPORTING IN "THE NEW YORK
    REPORTING IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
    TIMES" THAT THE PRESIDENT IS BEING -- AND I BELIEVE YOUR
    BEING -- AND I BELIEVE YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE RUN THIS DOWN AS
    COLLEAGUES HAVE RUN THIS DOWN AS WELL, THE PRESIDENT IS BEING
    WELL, THE PRESIDENT IS BEING INVESTIGATED UNDER BEEFED UP
    INVESTIGATED UNDER BEEFED UP WITNESS TAMPERING LAW PUT INTO
    WITNESS TAMPERING LAW PUT INTO EFFECT AFTER ENRON.
    EFFECT AFTER ENRON. THERE ARE PROSECUTORS ALSO PART
    THERE ARE PROSECUTORS ALSO PART OF BOB MUELLER'S TEAM.
    OF BOB MUELLER'S TEAM. THIS IS A REAL RAW NERVE FOR THE
    THIS IS A REAL RAW NERVE FOR THE PRESIDENT, REAL EXPOSURE, AREA
    PRESIDENT, REAL EXPOSURE, AREA OF EXPOSURE.
    OF EXPOSURE. >> YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST
    >> YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A WHIFF
    TIME THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A WHIFF OF THIS KIND OF THING
    OF THIS KIND OF THING POTENTIALLY GOING ON, OR AT
    POTENTIALLY GOING ON, OR AT LEAST FACED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT
    LEAST FACED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT POTENTIALLY GOING ON.
    POTENTIALLY GOING ON. THERE WERE A COUPLE INSTANCES
    THERE WERE A COUPLE INSTANCES BACK WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE
    BACK WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN WHICH HE TALKED TO
    HOUSE IN WHICH HE TALKED TO REINCE PRIEBUS AND DON McGAHN
    REINCE PRIEBUS AND DON McGAHN THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY
    THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY RUNNING INTO SOME FOUL TERRITORY
    RUNNING INTO SOME FOUL TERRITORY HERE.
    HERE. THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT
    THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE PRESIDENT JUST BY
    WHETHER THE PRESIDENT JUST BY HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD
    HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD ADD, IS REALLY ABLE TO SEPARATE
    ADD, IS REALLY ABLE TO SEPARATE WHAT HE'S ABLE TO SAY AND DO AS
    WHAT HE'S ABLE TO SAY AND DO AS THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION
    THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION AND WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY SUPPOSED
    AND WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO DO.
    TO DO. SO THE IDEA HE WOULDN'T BE DOING
    SO THE IDEA HE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS NECESSARILY BEHIND CLOSED
    THIS NECESSARILY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IS I THINK A LITTLE BIT
    DOORS IS I THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO
    DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO SWALLOW.
    SWALLOW. NOW, WHETHER ANY OF THAT RISES
    NOW, WHETHER ANY OF THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF ILLEGALITY IS
    TO THE LEVEL OF ILLEGALITY IS ANOTHER QUESTION ENTIRELY, BUT
    ANOTHER QUESTION ENTIRELY, BUT CERTAINLY HE'S SHOWN THAT HE'S
    CERTAINLY HE'S SHOWN THAT HE'S NOT TERRIBLY CAREFUL ABOUT
    NOT TERRIBLY CAREFUL ABOUT THESE, AT LEAST BY OUTWARD
    THESE, AT LEAST BY OUTWARD APPEARANCES.
    APPEARANCES. >> AND YOU WRITE TODAY THAT --
    >> AND YOU WRITE TODAY THAT -- HERE'S THE THING.
    HERE'S THE THING. THIS IS A TWEET -- THIS IS ABOUT
    THIS IS A TWEET -- THIS IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S TWEET YESTERDAY
    THE PRESIDENT'S TWEET YESTERDAY MORNING.
    MORNING. THIS IS A TWEET ABOUT HOW THE
    THIS IS A TWEET ABOUT HOW THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING WAS TOTALLY
    TRUMP TOWER MEETING WAS TOTALLY FINE.
    FINE. NOTHING ILLEGAL TO SEE HER.
    NOTHING ILLEGAL TO SEE HER. IF YOU HAVE NO REAL CONCERN
    IF YOU HAVE NO REAL CONCERN ABOUT LEGAL EXPOSURE FROM THE
    ABOUT LEGAL EXPOSURE FROM THE MEETING WHY DISTANCE YOURSELF
    MEETING WHY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM IT?
    FROM IT? HAS ANYONE OFFERED YOU ANY
    HAS ANYONE OFFERED YOU ANY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION S TO YOUR
    PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION S TO YOUR VERY ASTUTE POINT THERE?
    VERY ASTUTE POINT THERE? >> YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY IS
    >> YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY IS FOCUSING ON THE ADMISSION THAT
    FOCUSING ON THE ADMISSION THAT THIS WAS IN FACT ABOUT
    THIS WAS IN FACT ABOUT OPPOSITION RESEARCH.
    OPPOSITION RESEARCH. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN THE
    WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN THE SPACE OF ONE TWEET WE HAVE THE
    SPACE OF ONE TWEET WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT BOTH ARGUING THAT THIS
    PRESIDENT BOTH ARGUING THAT THIS IS TOTALLY MUCH ADO ABOUT
    IS TOTALLY MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING, NOT ILLEGAL AT ALL, OH,
    NOTHING, NOT ILLEGAL AT ALL, OH, AND BY THE WAY, I WASN'T
    AND BY THE WAY, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT AT ALL, JUST IN
    INVOLVED IN IT AT ALL, JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING
    CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
    ON HERE. THERE'S NO REASON TO SEPARATE
    THERE'S NO REASON TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM SOMETHING LIKE
    YOURSELF FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG
    THIS IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG ABOUT IT.
    ABOUT IT. SO THE FACT THAT HE SLIPPED THAT
    SO THE FACT THAT HE SLIPPED THAT IN AT THE END OF A TWEET ABOUT
    IN AT THE END OF A TWEET ABOUT HOW THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING
    HOW THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING WRONG HERE, I THINK BELIES THE
    WRONG HERE, I THINK BELIES THE ACTUAL FEELINGS AND WHAT HE'S
    ACTUAL FEELINGS AND WHAT HE'S BEING TOLD BY HIS LAWYERS WHICH
    BEING TOLD BY HIS LAWYERS WHICH IS COLLUSION IS A CRIME AND THIS
    IS COLLUSION IS A CRIME AND THIS IS AT LEAST IN A VERY MUCH
    IS AT LEAST IN A VERY MUCH ILLEGAL GRAY AREA.
    ILLEGAL GRAY AREA. >> JOHN, I'VE HEARD THERE WAS A
    >> JOHN, I'VE HEARD THERE WAS A DEBATE AT THE TIME -- THE TIMES
    DEBATE AT THE TIME -- THE TIMES AND THE POST WERE CALLING ABOUT
    AND THE POST WERE CALLING ABOUT THIS MEETING AND WHEN THAT
    THIS MEETING AND WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR
    STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE.
    FORCE ONE. THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE LEGAL
    THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE LEGAL TEAM AND AROUND IT THAT ARGUED
    TEAM AND AROUND IT THAT ARGUED FOR JUST GOING TO MUELLER AND
    FOR JUST GOING TO MUELLER AND TELLING THEM THE WHOLE STORY.
    TELLING THEM THE WHOLE STORY. THOSE PEOPLE LOST.
    THOSE PEOPLE LOST. >> YEAH.
    >> YEAH. >> THE LIE WAS TOLD, THAT THE
    >> THE LIE WAS TOLD, THAT THE MEETING WAS ABOUT RUSSIAN
    MEETING WAS ABOUT RUSSIAN ADOPTIONS.
    ADOPTIONS. THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE.
    THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE. THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW KRERKTEDCO
    THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW KRERKTEDCO THE RECORD.
    THE RECORD. IF YOU LOOK AT SCOOTER LIBBY,
    IF YOU LOOK AT SCOOTER LIBBY, LOOK AT BILL CLINTON.
    LOOK AT BILL CLINTON. IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS OBSTRUCTION
    IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY THAT
    OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY THAT TRIPS PEOPLE UP IN SPECIAL
    TRIPS PEOPLE UP IN SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATIONS.
    COUNSEL INVESTIGATIONS. >> AND THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS IN
    >> AND THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS IN ALL OF THE SPECIAL COUNSELS THAT
    ALL OF THE SPECIAL COUNSELS THAT I'VE COVERED, THERE IS ALWAYS A
    I'VE COVERED, THERE IS ALWAYS A CADRE WITHIN EVERY
    CADRE WITHIN EVERY ADMINISTRATION WHO IS MAKING
    ADMINISTRATION WHO IS MAKING THAT ARGUMENT FOR MORE
    THAT ARGUMENT FOR MORE DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, RIP THE
    DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, RIP THE BAND AID OFF, LET'S GET WHATEVER
    BAND AID OFF, LET'S GET WHATEVER THE TROUBLES ARE GET THEM OUT AS
    THE TROUBLES ARE GET THEM OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
    FAST AS POSSIBLE. IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US
    IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US IN THE LONG RUN POLITICALLY AND
    IN THE LONG RUN POLITICALLY AND LEGALLY, ALMOST ALWAYS THEY LOSE
    LEGALLY, ALMOST ALWAYS THEY LOSE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
    FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS
    WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS PERIOD.
    PERIOD. WE'VE NOT HEARD EVERYTHING THAT
    WE'VE NOT HEARD EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT
    WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT PERIOD TO THIS POINT.
    PERIOD TO THIS POINT. BUT I THINK THE PRESIDENT --
    BUT I THINK THE PRESIDENT -- IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING.
    IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING. AND I THINK IT'S JUST WORTH
    AND I THINK IT'S JUST WORTH STEPPING BACK FOR A SECOND AND
    STEPPING BACK FOR A SECOND AND ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT JUST HAPPENED
    ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE.
    HERE. THE PRESIDENT LIES ALL THE TIME.
    THE PRESIDENT LIES ALL THE TIME. WE KNOW HE LIES ALL THE TIME.
    WE KNOW HE LIES ALL THE TIME. THE LIES AREN'T ACCEPTABLE.
    THE LIES AREN'T ACCEPTABLE. 4,000 WHATEVER HE'S TOLD IN
    4,000 WHATEVER HE'S TOLD IN EIGHT MONTHS ACCORDING TO THESE
    EIGHT MONTHS ACCORDING TO THESE COUNTS.
    COUNTS. BUT THIS LIE IS A DIFFERENT
    BUT THIS LIE IS A DIFFERENT ORDER OF LIE.
    ORDER OF LIE. FOR THE PRESIDENT TO GO ON KIND
    FOR THE PRESIDENT TO GO ON KIND OF IN SOME KIND OF A FIT OVER
    OF IN SOME KIND OF A FIT OVER THE WEEKEND AND BASICALLY SAY,
    THE WEEKEND AND BASICALLY SAY, JUST COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAID,
    JUST COME STRAIGHT OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
    YOU KNOW WHAT? THE STORY I TOLD YOU, I LIED
    THE STORY I TOLD YOU, I LIED ABOUT THIS AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT
    ABOUT THIS AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY SON.
    MY SON. I'M EITHER TOO DUMB OR ACTUALLY
    I'M EITHER TOO DUMB OR ACTUALLY DON'T CARE, BUT ONE WAY OR THE
    DON'T CARE, BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I AM, AS FRANK SAID, HE
    OTHER, I AM, AS FRANK SAID, HE JUST THREW HIS SON UNDER THE
    JUST THREW HIS SON UNDER THE BUS.
    BUS. I MEAN, THE ADMISSION OF IT IS
    I MEAN, THE ADMISSION OF IT IS AN ADD MYTHS OF INCREDIBLE WILL
    AN ADD MYTHS OF INCREDIBLE WILL LAW.
    LAW. >> HIS SON CAN BE CHARGED.
    >> HIS SON CAN BE CHARGED. >> THE LIE IS AN HISTORIC LIE
    >> THE LIE IS AN HISTORIC LIE THAT HE TOLD.
    THAT HE TOLD. THE ADMISSION IS A POTENTIALLY
    THE ADMISSION IS A POTENTIALLY CATACLYSMIC ADMISSION FOR THE
    CATACLYSMIC ADMISSION FOR THE WHOLE -- THIS ELEMENT OF THE
    WHOLE -- THIS ELEMENT OF THE INVESTIGATION AND PARTICULARLY
    INVESTIGATION AND PARTICULARLY FOR HIS SON WHO HIS FATHER HAS
    FOR HIS SON WHO HIS FATHER HAS BASICALLY WENT ON TWITTER AND
    BASICALLY WENT ON TWITTER AND TESTIFIED AGAINST.
    TESTIFIED AGAINST. >> FRANK, CAN YOU UNPACK THAT
    >> FRANK, CAN YOU UNPACK THAT FOR US?
    FOR US? WE STARE AT THOSE TREES.
    WE STARE AT THOSE TREES. WE STARE AT THE TWEET AS IF IT'S
    WE STARE AT THE TWEET AS IF IT'S A TREE.
    A TREE. THE FOREST STARTED AS A COUNTER
    THE FOREST STARTED AS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION BY
    INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI FOR THE BUREAU YOU'RE
    THE FBI FOR THE BUREAU YOU'RE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
    VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH. AND WE NOW HAVE THE PRESIDENT
    AND WE NOW HAVE THE PRESIDENT CORROBORATING A FACT ABOUT WHY
    CORROBORATING A FACT ABOUT WHY HIS SON WENT IN AND MET WITH
    HIS SON WENT IN AND MET WITH RUSSIANS.
    RUSSIANS. AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW
    AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MEETING
    A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS MEETING AND SAID THAT THEY ALWAYS KNEW
    AND SAID THAT THEY ALWAYS KNEW THIS WAS A MEETING.
    THIS WAS A MEETING. AND IN ATTENDANCE WERE RUSSIANS
    AND IN ATTENDANCE WERE RUSSIANS CLOSE TO THE KREMLIN AND WITH
    CLOSE TO THE KREMLIN AND WITH TIES TO RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
    TIES TO RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
    OFFICIALS. IS THAT POTENTIALLY MORE
    IS THAT POTENTIALLY MORE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSECUTORS
    EVIDENCE THAT THE PROSECUTORS COULD USE, INVESTIGATORS COULD
    COULD USE, INVESTIGATORS COULD USE AGAINST DON JUNIOR?
    USE AGAINST DON JUNIOR? >> THERE'S NO QUESTION HERE.
    >> THERE'S NO QUESTION HERE. WHAT HEIGHT OF IRONY FOR A
    WHAT HEIGHT OF IRONY FOR A FATHER'S TWEET TO BECOME EXHIBIT
    FATHER'S TWEET TO BECOME EXHIBIT A IN EVIDENCE AGAINST HIS SON.
    A IN EVIDENCE AGAINST HIS SON. I WAS JOKING OVER THE WEEKEND ON
    I WAS JOKING OVER THE WEEKEND ON THE AIR THAT THE FOLKS AT
    THE AIR THAT THE FOLKS AT TWITTER SHOULD ESSENTIALLY
    TWITTER SHOULD ESSENTIALLY INSTALL A POP-UP MIRANDA WARNING
    INSTALL A POP-UP MIRANDA WARNING ON THE PRESIDENT'S TWITTER
    ON THE PRESIDENT'S TWITTER ACCOUNT JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU
    ACCOUNT JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
    HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. PLEASE USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN
    PLEASE USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
    SILENT. BUT YES, INDEED.
    BUT YES, INDEED. WE HAVE POTENTIALLY EVIDENCE IN
    WE HAVE POTENTIALLY EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF A TWEET.
    THE FORM OF A TWEET. AND IRONICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT
    AND IRONICALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT HAD COME OUT PREVIOUSLY AND JUST
    HAD COME OUT PREVIOUSLY AND JUST SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NEW AT THIS,
    SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NEW AT THIS, WE WERE VOTED IN BECAUSE WE'RE
    WE WERE VOTED IN BECAUSE WE'RE FROM OUTSIDE WASHINGTON.
    FROM OUTSIDE WASHINGTON. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE
    WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.
    DOING. HERE'S THE STORY.
    HERE'S THE STORY. THE COVER UP IS ALWAYS WORSE
    THE COVER UP IS ALWAYS WORSE THAN THE CRIME.
    THAN THE CRIME. >> THE STUPIDITY DEFENSE.
    >> THE STUPIDITY DEFENSE. IT CAN BE DEPLOYED AND IT'S
    IT CAN BE DEPLOYED AND IT'S PLAUSIBLE.
    PLAUSIBLE. >> BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT.
    >> BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT. THE PRESIDENT'S HUBRIS, HIS
    THE PRESIDENT'S HUBRIS, HIS INABILITY TO SAY I SCREWED UP
    INABILITY TO SAY I SCREWED UP AND GOT IT WRONG IS GOING TO
    AND GOT IT WRONG IS GOING TO CAUSE HIS DOWNFALL.
    CAUSE HIS DOWNFALL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED TODAY.
    THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED TODAY. >> HOPE HICKS, THE PERIOD OF
    >> HOPE HICKS, THE PERIOD OF TIME FROM WHICH WE KNOW SHE WENT
    TIME FROM WHICH WE KNOW SHE WENT IN AND TESTIFIED TO ROBERT
    IN AND TESTIFIED TO ROBERT MUELLER, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
    MUELLER, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HER TESTIMONY WAS CONSISTENT
    HER TESTIMONY WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I
    WITH THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK WE CAN PUT THEIR NAMES UP.
    THINK WE CAN PUT THEIR NAMES UP. HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE
    HOPE HICKS, SEAN SPICER, REINCE PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN, JOSH
    PRIEBUS, DON McGAHN, JOSH RAFAEL, THEIR NAMES WERE ALL
    RAFAEL, THEIR NAMES WERE ALL SUBMITTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN
    SUBMITTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN THAT PERIOD RIGHT AFTER THAT
    THAT PERIOD RIGHT AFTER THAT STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR
    STATEMENT WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE THAT TURNED OUT TO BE
    FORCE ONE THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A LIE.
    A LIE. THE PRESIDENT NOW AGREEING THAT
    THE PRESIDENT NOW AGREEING THAT STATEMENT WAS A LIE.
    STATEMENT WAS A LIE. ARE YOU HEARING ANY REPORTING
    ARE YOU HEARING ANY REPORTING FROM YOUR SOURCES ABOUT EITHER
    FROM YOUR SOURCES ABOUT EITHER THE ROLE HOPE HICKS MAY HAVE
    THE ROLE HOPE HICKS MAY HAVE PLAYED IN PROVIDING INFORMATION
    PLAYED IN PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THE
    ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THE PRESIDENT WAS PRONE TO HAVE WITH
    PRESIDENT WAS PRONE TO HAVE WITH CLOSE AIDES ABOUT WHAT THE
    CLOSE AIDES ABOUT WHAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE IN THE
    EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE IN THE MUELLER ROOM?
    MUELLER ROOM? >> I AM HEARING THEY PUSHED BACK
    >> I AM HEARING THEY PUSHED BACK ON IT.
    ON IT. THAT'S NOT WHY SHE WAS THERE.
    THAT'S NOT WHY SHE WAS THERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S
    THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S THE REASON.
    THE REASON. THE LIST YOU HAVE IS INTERESTING
    THE LIST YOU HAVE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE
    BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T WORK THERE ANY MORE.
    DON'T WORK THERE ANY MORE. ONE THING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP
    ONE THING ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS YOU CAN LEAVE, BUT YOU'RE
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