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    THIS TIME WE HAVE SLOWED DOWN, FLIPPED IT AND REVERSED IT.
    FLIPPED IT AND REVERSED IT. >> ARI, SURRENDER THE FLOW, MY
    >> ARI, SURRENDER THE FLOW, MY FRIEND.TIE TURK.
    FRIEND.TIE TURK. AMID THE CIVIL WAR BETWEEN THE
    AMID THE CIVIL WAR BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND HIS FORMER LAWYER.
    PRESIDENT AND HIS FORMER LAWYER. TODAY THE PRESIDENT LASHED OUT
    TODAY THE PRESIDENT LASHED OUT AT MICHAEL COHEN AFTER REPORTS
    AT MICHAEL COHEN AFTER REPORTS THAT COHEN IS WILLING TO TELL
    THAT COHEN IS WILLING TO TELL ROBERT MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP
    ROBERT MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP KNEW IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE 2016
    KNEW IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING WHERE THE
    TRUMP TOWER MEETING WHERE THE RUSSIANS PROMISED TO DELIVER
    RUSSIANS PROMISED TO DELIVER DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.
    DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON. COHEN'S ACCOUNT WOULD DIRECTLY
    COHEN'S ACCOUNT WOULD DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE PRESIDENT'S
    CONTRADICT THE PRESIDENT'S REPEATED DENIALS THAT HE KNEW
    REPEATED DENIALS THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THAT MEETING.
    NOTHING ABOUT THAT MEETING. DONALD TRUMP TWEETED THIS
    DONALD TRUMP TWEETED THIS MORNING I DID NOT KNOW OF THE
    MORNING I DID NOT KNOW OF THE MEETING WITH MY SON DON JR.
    MEETING WITH MY SON DON JR. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS
    SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES IN
    TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES IN ORDER TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF AN
    ORDER TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF AN UNRELATED JAB.
    UNRELATED JAB. UNRELATED JAM.
    UNRELATED JAM. WHAT DID DONALD TRUMP KNOW?
    WHAT DID DONALD TRUMP KNOW? THE PRESIDENT'S STORY ABOUT THE
    THE PRESIDENT'S STORY ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING HAS ALREADY
    TRUMP TOWER MEETING HAS ALREADY SHIFTED.
    SHIFTED. HIS LAWYERS CLAIMED HE WAS IN
    HIS LAWYERS CLAIMED HE WAS IN THE INVOLVED IN A STATEMENT
    THE INVOLVED IN A STATEMENT FALSELY CLAIMING THE MEETING WAS
    FALSELY CLAIMING THE MEETING WAS ABOUT ADOPTIONS.
    ABOUT ADOPTIONS. THEN THEY ADMITTED IN THE MEMO
    THEN THEY ADMITTED IN THE MEMO THAT HE DICTATED THE STATEMENT.
    THAT HE DICTATED THE STATEMENT. NOW THE STRATEGY FOR DONALD
    NOW THE STRATEGY FOR DONALD TRUMP IS TO ATTACK MICHAEL COHEN
    TRUMP IS TO ATTACK MICHAEL COHEN TO BOOST THE PRESIDENT'S
    TO BOOST THE PRESIDENT'S CREDIBILITY.
    CREDIBILITY. TRUMP ALLIES ARE GAMING ON HOW
    TRUMP ALLIES ARE GAMING ON HOW TO BURY COHEN, ACCORDING TO THE
    TO BURY COHEN, ACCORDING TO THE DAILY BEAST.
    DAILY BEAST. THE FIRST ATTEMPT DID NOT GO SO
    THE FIRST ATTEMPT DID NOT GO SO WELL.
    WELL. RUDY GULLIULIANI TRIED TO CLAIM
    RUDY GULLIULIANI TRIED TO CLAIM THAT HE IS A LIAR.
    THAT HE IS A LIAR. >> HE HAS BEEN LYING FOR YEARS.
    >> HE HAS BEEN LYING FOR YEARS. THERE IS NOBODY THAT I KNOW THAT
    THERE IS NOBODY THAT I KNOW THAT KNOWS HIM THAT HASN'T WARNED ME
    KNOWS HIM THAT HASN'T WARNED ME IF HIS BACK SUBPOENA AGAINST THE
    IF HIS BACK SUBPOENA AGAINST THE WALL, HE'S LIE LIKE CRAZY
    WALL, HE'S LIE LIKE CRAZY BECAUSE HE'S LIED ALL HIS LIFE.
    BECAUSE HE'S LIED ALL HIS LIFE. >> THE SAME RUDY GIULIANI SAID
    >> THE SAME RUDY GIULIANI SAID THIS ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN JUST A
    THIS ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.
    FEW MONTHS AGO. >> HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY
    >> HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ABOUT THE
    INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR HIMSELF.
    PRESIDENT OR HIMSELF. THE MAN IS AN HONEST, HONORABLE
    THE MAN IS AN HONEST, HONORABLE LAWYER.
    LAWYER. >> COHEN'S STORY MAY BE JUST AS
    >> COHEN'S STORY MAY BE JUST AS DANGEROUS FOR DONALD TRUMP JR.
    DANGEROUS FOR DONALD TRUMP JR. AS IT IS FOR THE PRESIDENT.
    AS IT IS FOR THE PRESIDENT. COHEN REPORTEDLY WANTS TO TELL
    COHEN REPORTEDLY WANTS TO TELL MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP
    MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP LEARNED OF THE TRUMP TOWER
    LEARNED OF THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING FROM DON JR.
    MEETING FROM DON JR. DON JR. HAS ALREADY TOLD A
    DON JR. HAS ALREADY TOLD A DIFFERENT STORY.
    DIFFERENT STORY. >> DID YOU TELL YOUR FATHER
    >> DID YOU TELL YOUR FATHER ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?
    ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? >> NO.
    >> NO. IT WAS SUCH A NOTHING.
    IT WAS SUCH A NOTHING. THERE WAS NOTHING TO TELL.
    THERE WAS NOTHING TO TELL. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN
    I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN REMEMBERED IT UNTIL YOU START
    REMEMBERED IT UNTIL YOU START SKOURING THROUGH THE STUFF.
    SKOURING THROUGH THE STUFF. >> IN SEPTEMBER, DON JR. TOLD
    >> IN SEPTEMBER, DON JR. TOLD THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
    THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THAT HE NEVER DISCUSSED THE
    THAT HE NEVER DISCUSSED THE MEETING WITH HIS FATHER.
    MEETING WITH HIS FATHER. TODAY A DEMOCRAT OF THE
    TODAY A DEMOCRAT OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SAID HE
    JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SAID HE WANTS DON JR. TO COME BACK
    WANTS DON JR. TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO ANSWER
    BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AGAIN IN PUBLIC,
    QUESTIONS, AGAIN IN PUBLIC, REGARDING COHEN'S CLAIMS.
    REGARDING COHEN'S CLAIMS. ON THE SAME DAY WE LEARNED
    ON THE SAME DAY WE LEARNED MICHAEL COHEN MAY PROVIDE KEY
    MICHAEL COHEN MAY PROVIDE KEY EVIDENCE ABOUT POTENTIAL
    EVIDENCE ABOUT POTENTIAL COLLUSION, "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
    COLLUSION, "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTED THAT ROBERT MUELLER IS
    REPORTED THAT ROBERT MUELLER IS EXAMINING DONALD TRUMP'S TWEETS
    EXAMINING DONALD TRUMP'S TWEETS AS PART OF HIS WIDE RANGING
    AS PART OF HIS WIDE RANGING OBSTRUCTION INQUIRY.
    OBSTRUCTION INQUIRY. THE TIMES REPORTS MUELLER IS
    THE TIMES REPORTS MUELLER IS SCRUTINIZING TRUMP'S TWEETED
    SCRUTINIZING TRUMP'S TWEETED ATTACKS ON JEFF SESSIONS AND
    ATTACKS ON JEFF SESSIONS AND FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY
    FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY UNDER A SECTION OF THE U.S. CODE
    UNDER A SECTION OF THE U.S. CODE TITLED TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS,
    TITLED TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS, VICTIM OR AN INFORMANT.
    VICTIM OR AN INFORMANT. MEANWHILE, "THE WALL STREET
    MEANWHILE, "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP
    JOURNAL" REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION'S FINANCE CHIEF HAS
    ORGANIZATION'S FINANCE CHIEF HAS BEEN CALLED TO TESTIFY BEFORE A
    BEEN CALLED TO TESTIFY BEFORE A FEDERAL GRAND JURY IN THE
    FEDERAL GRAND JURY IN THE MICHAEL COHEN PROBE.
    MICHAEL COHEN PROBE. A FORMER TRUMP ORGANIZATION
    A FORMER TRUMP ORGANIZATION EMPLOYEE TOLD ME ALLEN KNOWS
    EMPLOYEE TOLD ME ALLEN KNOWS WHERE ALL OF THE FINANCIAL
    WHERE ALL OF THE FINANCIAL BODIES ARE BURIED WITHIN THE
    BODIES ARE BURIED WITHIN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
    TRUMP ORGANIZATION. INTERESTING CHOICE OF WORDS
    INTERESTING CHOICE OF WORDS THERE.
    THERE. JOINING US NOW IS JASON JOHNSON,
    JOINING US NOW IS JASON JOHNSON, POLITICS ED DOOR AT THE
    POLITICS ED DOOR AT THE ROOT.COM.
    ROOT.COM. ANOTHER JOINING US RUTH MARCUS,
    ANOTHER JOINING US RUTH MARCUS, AND DANIEL GOLDMAN, FORMER
    AND DANIEL GOLDMAN, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE
    ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
    SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. ALL THREE ARE MSNBC CONTRIB.UTOR
    ALL THREE ARE MSNBC CONTRIB.UTOR CONTRIBUTORS.
    CONTRIBUTORS. DONALD TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY LIED
    DONALD TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY LIED IN PUBLIC.
    IN PUBLIC. IT IS ON THE RECORD.
    IT IS ON THE RECORD. WE HAVE HIS STATEMENTS.
    WE HAVE HIS STATEMENTS. WE HAVE HIS CONTRADICTIONS.
    WE HAVE HIS CONTRADICTIONS. MICHAEL COHEN, MANY WOULD SAY
    MICHAEL COHEN, MANY WOULD SAY HE'S NOT TRUSTWORTHY BECAUSE HE
    HE'S NOT TRUSTWORTHY BECAUSE HE WORKED FOR DONALD TRUMP AND, I
    WORKED FOR DONALD TRUMP AND, I DON'T KNOW, HE SUMBLY HE DID
    DON'T KNOW, HE SUMBLY HE DID THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL FOR
    THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL FOR DONALD TRUMP.
    DONALD TRUMP. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ON THE
    WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ON THE RECORD LIES OR FALSEHOODS IF YOU
    RECORD LIES OR FALSEHOODS IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT WORD, FROM
    WANT TO USE THAT WORD, FROM MICHAEL COHEN T. ONLY.
    MICHAEL COHEN T. ONLY. THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF
    THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF IS THAT HE TOLD CHRIS CUOMO THAT
    IS THAT HE TOLD CHRIS CUOMO THAT HE WASN'T RECORDING HIM WHEN HE
    HE WASN'T RECORDING HIM WHEN HE ACTUALLY WAS.
    ACTUALLY WAS. SO IN THE CREDIBILITY FIGHT,
    SO IN THE CREDIBILITY FIGHT, RUTH, WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING
    RUTH, WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAVE THE UPPER HAND?
    TO HAVE THE UPPER HAND? >> WELL, IN THE CREDIBILITY
    >> WELL, IN THE CREDIBILITY FIGHT YOU HAVE TO ASK A FEW
    FIGHT YOU HAVE TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS.
    QUESTIONS. ONE IS WHO HAS THE GREATER
    ONE IS WHO HAS THE GREATER MOTIVE TO LIE HERE?
    MOTIVE TO LIE HERE? ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED,
    ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED, SAY, FROM ROBERT MUELLER IS IF
    SAY, FROM ROBERT MUELLER IS IF YOU GO TO HIM OR HIS
    YOU GO TO HIM OR HIS INVESTIGATORS WITH A FALSE STORY
    INVESTIGATORS WITH A FALSE STORY AND LIE TO THEM, YOU ARE GOING
    AND LIE TO THEM, YOU ARE GOING TO GET IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
    TO GET IN A LOT OF TROUBLE. SO IF MICHAEL COHEN IS NOT
    SO IF MICHAEL COHEN IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH HERE BECAUSE
    TELLING THE TRUTH HERE BECAUSE HE IS LOOKING FOR A DEAL FROM
    HE IS LOOKING FOR A DEAL FROM ROBERT MUELLER AND HE PEDDLES AN
    ROBERT MUELLER AND HE PEDDLES AN UNTRUE STORY, HE'S GOING TO GET
    UNTRUE STORY, HE'S GOING TO GET HIMSELF INTO A HEAP OF TROUBLE.
    HIMSELF INTO A HEAP OF TROUBLE. ON THE OTHER HAND, PRESIDENT
    ON THE OTHER HAND, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SOME MOTIVE HERE TO
    TRUMP HAS SOME MOTIVE HERE TO LIE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A VERY
    LIE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A VERY BIG DEAL, IN FACT, IF, A, HE
    BIG DEAL, IN FACT, IF, A, HE KNEW ABOUT THIS MEETING AND IF
    KNEW ABOUT THIS MEETING AND IF HE HAD BEEN LYING TO THE
    HE HAD BEEN LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IT ALL
    AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IT ALL ALONG.
    ALONG. THE SECOND THING, AND DAN CAN
    THE SECOND THING, AND DAN CAN SPEAK TO THIS, IS IF YOU'VE GOT
    SPEAK TO THIS, IS IF YOU'VE GOT A WITNESS WHO -- OR SOMEBODY WHO
    A WITNESS WHO -- OR SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE SOME CREDIBILITY
    MAY HAVE SOME CREDIBILITY PROBLEMS, YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK
    PROBLEMS, YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR CORROBORATING EVIDENCE.
    FOR CORROBORATING EVIDENCE. WHAT DO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO
    WHAT DO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ALLEGEDLY HEARD THIS SAY?
    ALLEGEDLY HEARD THIS SAY? WHAT HAPPENED WITH THESE PHONE
    WHAT HAPPENED WITH THESE PHONE CALLS AROUND THE BEFORE AND
    CALLS AROUND THE BEFORE AND AFTER THE MEETING TO THE BLOCKED
    AFTER THE MEETING TO THE BLOCKED NUMBER?
    NUMBER? WHO WERE THEY?
    WHO WERE THEY? WHAT WAS DON JR.'S PRACTICE IN
    WHAT WAS DON JR.'S PRACTICE IN TERMS OF TELLING THINGS TO HIS
    TERMS OF TELLING THINGS TO HIS FATHER.
    FATHER. IT IS NOT A SIMPLE HE SAID HE
    IT IS NOT A SIMPLE HE SAID HE SAID SWEARING CONTEST.
    SAID SWEARING CONTEST. YOU CAN BRING IN OTHER FACTS TO
    YOU CAN BRING IN OTHER FACTS TO BUTTRESS YOUR CASE.
    BUTTRESS YOUR CASE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO
    >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO USE TO ASSESS THE CREDIBILITY OF
    USE TO ASSESS THE CREDIBILITY OF SOMEONE IS GENERALLY PEOPLE
    SOMEONE IS GENERALLY PEOPLE DON'T LIE AGAINST THEIR
    DON'T LIE AGAINST THEIR SELF-INTEREST.
    SELF-INTEREST. SO IF MICHAEL COHEN WERE TO GET
    SO IF MICHAEL COHEN WERE TO GET ON THE STAND AND HE WERE TO
    ON THE STAND AND HE WERE TO ADMIT TO ALL SORTS OF WRONGDOING
    ADMIT TO ALL SORTS OF WRONGDOING AND CRIMES AND HE WERE TO SAY,
    AND CRIMES AND HE WERE TO SAY, BY THE WAY, THESE OTHER PEOPLE
    BY THE WAY, THESE OTHER PEOPLE DID THOSE WITH ME, GENERALLY YOU
    DID THOSE WITH ME, GENERALLY YOU CREDIT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT
    CREDIT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE'S ADMITTING TO HIS
    BECAUSE HE'S ADMITTING TO HIS OWN CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
    OWN CRIMINAL CONDUCT. IF HE'S SAYING, OH, I'M POINTING
    IF HE'S SAYING, OH, I'M POINTING THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY ELSE.
    THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY ELSE. I DIDN'T DO IT.
    I DIDN'T DO IT. THEN THAT'S MORE SPEAKING IN
    THEN THAT'S MORE SPEAKING IN YOUR OWN SELF-INTEREST, AND
    YOUR OWN SELF-INTEREST, AND THERE IS MORE MOTIVE TO LIE.
    THERE IS MORE MOTIVE TO LIE. >> RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT IN
    >> RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT IN MICHAEL COHEN'S SELF-INTEREST TO
    MICHAEL COHEN'S SELF-INTEREST TO GO OUT AND CLAIM THESE SORTS OF
    GO OUT AND CLAIM THESE SORTS OF THINGS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT
    THINGS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT HE IS MORE -- HE'S
    APPEAR THAT HE IS MORE -- HE'S MORE OF A VALUABLE INFORMANT OR
    MORE OF A VALUABLE INFORMANT OR COOPERATOR, I SHOULD SAY,
    COOPERATOR, I SHOULD SAY, AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WITH THE
    AGAINST DONALD TRUMP WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
    SPECIAL COUNSEL. IF HE'S MORE VALUABLE TO CUT A
    IF HE'S MORE VALUABLE TO CUT A DEAL WITH RATHER THAN SOMEBODY
    DEAL WITH RATHER THAN SOMEBODY JUST TO TRY TO PROSECUTE.
    JUST TO TRY TO PROSECUTE. >> IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE
    >> IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS.
    LOVE THIS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING ON
    YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING ON TELEVISION AND MICHAEL COHEN IS
    TELEVISION AND MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING, OH, DONALD TRUMP WAS
    SAYING, OH, DONALD TRUMP WAS THERE.
    THERE. RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING HE'S A
    RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING HE'S A LIAR.
    LIAR. THIS NORMALLY ONLY HAPPENS IN A
    THIS NORMALLY ONLY HAPPENS IN A COURTROOM WHEN THERE IS
    COURTROOM WHEN THERE IS CROSS-EXAMINATION AND SOMEONE
    CROSS-EXAMINATION AND SOMEONE CALLS THE COOPERATING WITNESS A
    CALLS THE COOPERATING WITNESS A LIAR.
    LIAR. IT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS IN
    IT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS IN PUBLIC.
    PUBLIC. THE REASON IS BECAUSE MOST
    THE REASON IS BECAUSE MOST COOPERATING WITNESSES ARE GUIDED
    COOPERATING WITNESSES ARE GUIDED BY THEIR LAWYERS AND THEY KNOW
    BY THEIR LAWYERS AND THEY KNOW TO BE QUIET IN PUBLIC.
    TO BE QUIET IN PUBLIC. MICHAEL COHEN, IF HE'S ACTING IN
    MICHAEL COHEN, IF HE'S ACTING IN HIS SELF-INTEREST, WILL BE QUIET
    HIS SELF-INTEREST, WILL BE QUIET BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HELPING HIM
    BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HELPING HIM AT ALL.
    AT ALL. >> YOU HAVE A PIECE IN THE DAILY
    >> YOU HAVE A PIECE IN THE DAILY BEAST TODAY WHERE YOU SAY FREE
    BEAST TODAY WHERE YOU SAY FREE ADVICE FOR MICHAEL COHEN FROM
    ADVICE FOR MICHAEL COHEN FROM EX-FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, SHUT UP.
    EX-FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, SHUT UP. >> YES.
    >> YES. HE'S NOT HELPING HIS CAUSE BY
    HE'S NOT HELPING HIS CAUSE BY DOING THIS.
    DOING THIS. AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, OH,
    AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, OH, LET'S FLAG THIS FOR THE SDNY OR
    LET'S FLAG THIS FOR THE SDNY OR FOR MUELLER THAT I HAVE THIS
    FOR MUELLER THAT I HAVE THIS INFORMATION, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO
    INFORMATION, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT IN PUBLIC.
    DO THAT IN PUBLIC. HE HAS AN INCREDIBLY ABLE AND
    HE HAS AN INCREDIBLY ABLE AND CAPABLE AND EXPERIENCED LAWYER
    CAPABLE AND EXPERIENCED LAWYER WHO IS VERY USED TO HAVING THESE
    WHO IS VERY USED TO HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH PROSECUTORS,
    CONVERSATIONS WITH PROSECUTORS, WHO ARE USED TO HAVING THOSE
    WHO ARE USED TO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH DEFENSE
    CONVERSATIONS WITH DEFENSE LAWYERS.
    LAWYERS. THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT.
    THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. THIS IS ONLY HURTING HIM.
    THIS IS ONLY HURTING HIM. >> REGARDLESS, IT IS GETTING
    >> REGARDLESS, IT IS GETTING UGLY CERTAINLY IN PUBLIC.
    UGLY CERTAINLY IN PUBLIC. HERE IS A NEW REPORT FROM EMILY
    HERE IS A NEW REPORT FROM EMILY JANE FOX OF "VANITY FAIR."
    JANE FOX OF "VANITY FAIR." THERE IS AN INCREASING SENSE
    THERE IS AN INCREASING SENSE INSIDE COHEN WORLD THAT TRUMP'S
    INSIDE COHEN WORLD THAT TRUMP'S FORMER ATTORNEY IS READY TO
    FORMER ATTORNEY IS READY TO TORCH THE MAN HE ONCE VOWED TO
    TORCH THE MAN HE ONCE VOWED TO TAKE A BULLET FOR, TELLING
    TAKE A BULLET FOR, TELLING ALLIES ABOUT A TREASURE TROVE OF
    ALLIES ABOUT A TREASURE TROVE OF MATERIAL HE COULD INLEASH TO
    MATERIAL HE COULD INLEASH TO CREATE HEADACHES FOR TRUMP.
    CREATE HEADACHES FOR TRUMP. THERE IS A LOT MORE TO COME, HE
    THERE IS A LOT MORE TO COME, HE HAS SAID.
    HAS SAID. THERE IS A LOT.
    THERE IS A LOT. JASON, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
    JASON, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?
    THAT? >> I MEAN, THE THING IS, KATIE,
    >> I MEAN, THE THING IS, KATIE, COHEN IS REALLY JUST CONFIRMING
    COHEN IS REALLY JUST CONFIRMING WHAT MOST PEOPLE WITH COMMON
    WHAT MOST PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE WOULD HAVE ASSUMED ABOUT
    SENSE WOULD HAVE ASSUMED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP ANYWAY.
    PRESIDENT TRUMP ANYWAY. REMEMBER, PRIOR TO COHEN, DONALD
    REMEMBER, PRIOR TO COHEN, DONALD TRUMP USED TO HANG AROUND WITH
    TRUMP USED TO HANG AROUND WITH RORY COHEN.
    RORY COHEN. IF THIS GUY WAS HIS FIXER, IT IS
    IF THIS GUY WAS HIS FIXER, IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT COHEN HAS ALL
    HIGHLY LIKELY THAT COHEN HAS ALL SORTS OF DANGEROUS INFORMATION
    SORTS OF DANGEROUS INFORMATION ABOUT HIM THAT HE COULD REVEAL.
    ABOUT HIM THAT HE COULD REVEAL. THE REASON THIS IS PLAYING OUT
    THE REASON THIS IS PLAYING OUT IN PUBLIC IS, ONE, A LOT OF
    IN PUBLIC IS, ONE, A LOT OF THESE GUYS LIKE TO GET ON TV
    THESE GUYS LIKE TO GET ON TV AND, TWO, THIS HAS BECOME A
    AND, TWO, THIS HAS BECOME A LARGE SPITTING MATCH.
    LARGE SPITTING MATCH. THERE ARE EGOS INVOLVED.
    THERE ARE EGOS INVOLVED. COHEN IS NOT ANY MORE ETHICAL
    COHEN IS NOT ANY MORE ETHICAL THAN TRUMP, BUT HE MAY HAVE SOME
    THAN TRUMP, BUT HE MAY HAVE SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION.
    VALUABLE INFORMATION. THAT'S WHY RUDY GIULIANI IS OUT
    THAT'S WHY RUDY GIULIANI IS OUT THERE RUNNING HIS MOUTH AND
    THERE RUNNING HIS MOUTH AND CONTRADICTING HIMSELF EVERY DAY.
    CONTRADICTING HIMSELF EVERY DAY. NONE OF THESE MEN, WHETHER IT'S
    NONE OF THESE MEN, WHETHER IT'S THE PRESIDENT, A LAWYER FOR THE
    THE PRESIDENT, A LAWYER FOR THE PRESIDENT, A LAWYER PROTECTING
    PRESIDENT, A LAWYER PROTECTING HIMSELF SEEM TO REALLY RESPECT
    HIMSELF SEEM TO REALLY RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW OR THE NORMS OF
    THE RULE OF LAW OR THE NORMS OF HOW AN INVESTIGATION IS SUPPOSED
    HOW AN INVESTIGATION IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
    TO HAPPEN. >> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS
    >> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS REPORTING THAT THE TRUMP TOWER
    REPORTING THAT THE TRUMP TOWER LAWYER, THE MEETING THAT WAS
    LAWYER, THE MEETING THAT WAS BETWEEN DON JR. IS A LOT MORE
    BETWEEN DON JR. IS A LOT MORE WELL CONNECTED TO THE KREMLIN
    WELL CONNECTED TO THE KREMLIN THAN SHE CLAIMS TO BE.
    THAN SHE CLAIMS TO BE. SHE WAS A GHOST WRITER THAT
    SHE WAS A GHOST WRITER THAT RECEIVED ASSISTANCE FROM THE
    RECEIVED ASSISTANCE FROM THE INTERIOR MINISTRY IN A CASE
    INTERIOR MINISTRY IN A CASE INVOLVING A CLIENT.
    INVOLVING A CLIENT. SHE IS NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT
    SHE IS NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE
    HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE KREMLIN.
    KREMLIN. THERE WERE PROBLEMS ABOUT THE
    THERE WERE PROBLEMS ABOUT THE INITIAL STATEMENT OF WHAT WAS
    INITIAL STATEMENT OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT THE TRUMP
    ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING.
    TOWER MEETING. DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE HAD
    DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
    NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. WHAT ELSE ARE WE GOING TO LEARN,
    WHAT ELSE ARE WE GOING TO LEARN, RUTH?
    RUTH? CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT.
    CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD IN
    BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD IN THE ORIGINAL SOLICITATION TO
    THE ORIGINAL SOLICITATION TO DONALD TRUMP JR. PRECISELY WHO
    DONALD TRUMP JR. PRECISELY WHO SHE WAS.
    SHE WAS. SHE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A RUSSIAN
    SHE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER WHO WAS
    GOVERNMENT LAWYER WHO WAS OFFERING INFORMATION ABOUT
    OFFERING INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON BECAUSE THE
    HILLARY CLINTON BECAUSE THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, DONALD TRUMP
    RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, DONALD TRUMP JR. WAS TOLD, WANTED TO SEE
    JR. WAS TOLD, WANTED TO SEE DONALD TRUMP ELECTED PRESIDENT.
    DONALD TRUMP ELECTED PRESIDENT. DON'T NEED MORE THAN THAT.
    DON'T NEED MORE THAN THAT. WHAT WOULD A RESPONSIBLE
    WHAT WOULD A RESPONSIBLE PATRIOTIC PERSON DO IN A
    PATRIOTIC PERSON DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT?
    SITUATION LIKE THAT? THEY WOULD CALL THE FBI.
    THEY WOULD CALL THE FBI. AT THE VERY LEAST THEY WOULD SAY
    AT THE VERY LEAST THEY WOULD SAY NO THANK YOU.
    NO THANK YOU. WHAT DID WE HAVE?
    WHAT DID WE HAVE? WE HAD THIS MEETING?
    WE HAD THIS MEETING? AND THEN WHAT DO WE KNOW?
    AND THEN WHAT DO WE KNOW? DONALD TRUMP HELPED TO
    DONALD TRUMP HELPED TO ORCHESTRATE A LIE ABOUT IT WHEN
    ORCHESTRATE A LIE ABOUT IT WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED.
    IT WAS DISCOVERED. THEN HE LIED AND HIS PEOPLE
    THEN HE LIED AND HIS PEOPLE LIED, HIS LAWYERS LIED ABOUT
    LIED, HIS LAWYERS LIED ABOUT WHETHER HE WAS INVOLVED IN
    WHETHER HE WAS INVOLVED IN ORCHESTRATING THAT LIE.
    ORCHESTRATING THAT LIE. NOW WE NEED TO FIND OUT IS HE
    NOW WE NEED TO FIND OUT IS HE LYING OR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT
    LYING OR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT WHETHER HE KNEW ABOUT THE
    WHETHER HE KNEW ABOUT THE MEETING AT THE TIME.
    MEETING AT THE TIME. >> GUYS, WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING
    >> GUYS, WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING OF AN ANNIVERSARY TO CELEBRATE.
    OF AN ANNIVERSARY TO CELEBRATE. IT IS NOW TWO YEARS TO THE DAY
    IT IS NOW TWO YEARS TO THE DAY THAT DONALD TRUMP CALLED ON
    THAT DONALD TRUMP CALLED ON RUSSIA TO FIND HILLARY CLINTON'S
    RUSSIA TO FIND HILLARY CLINTON'S MISSING 30,000 E-MAILS AND THEN
    MISSING 30,000 E-MAILS AND THEN I HAD THIS EXCHANGE WITH HIM.
    I HAD THIS EXCHANGE WITH HIM. LET'S LOOK.
    LET'S LOOK. >> RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE LISTENING,
    >> RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND THE
    I HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO FIND THE 30,000 E-MAILS THAT ARE MISSING.
    30,000 E-MAILS THAT ARE MISSING. >> YOU SAID THE RUSSIANS --
    >> YOU SAID THE RUSSIANS -- >> HE HAS NO RESPECT.
    >> HE HAS NO RESPECT. >> YOU SAID I WELCOME THEM TO
    >> YOU SAID I WELCOME THEM TO FIND THOSE 30,000 E-MAILS.
    FIND THOSE 30,000 E-MAILS. >> WELL, THEY PROBABLY HAVE
    >> WELL, THEY PROBABLY HAVE THEM.
    THEM. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM RELEASED.
    I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM RELEASED. >> DOES THAT NOT GIVE YOU PAUSE?
    >> DOES THAT NOT GIVE YOU PAUSE? >> NO, IT GIVES ME NO PAUSE.
    >> NO, IT GIVES ME NO PAUSE. IF RUSSIA OR CHINA OR ANY OTHER
    IF RUSSIA OR CHINA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY HAS THOSE E-MAILS, I'LL
    COUNTRY HAS THOSE E-MAILS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THEM.
    BE HAPPY TO SEE THEM. >> WE KNOW THAT THE
    >> WE KNOW THAT THE INVESTIGATION REALLY GOT STARTED
    INVESTIGATION REALLY GOT STARTED TO GET INTERESTING INTO THE
    TO GET INTERESTING INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND WHAT THEY HAD
    TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND WHAT THEY HAD TO DO WITH RUSSIA BECAUSE OF
    TO DO WITH RUSSIA BECAUSE OF THAT EXCHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN
    THAT EXCHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WERE
    THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WERE LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON, WHY IS HE
    LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON, WHY IS HE SAYING THAT?
    SAYING THAT? WHY WOULD DONALD TRUMP CALL ON
    WHY WOULD DONALD TRUMP CALL ON RUSSIA SPECIFICALLY TO FIND
    RUSSIA SPECIFICALLY TO FIND HILLARY CLINTON'S E-MAILS.
    HILLARY CLINTON'S E-MAILS. >> PROSECUTORS ARE TRAINED NOT
    >> PROSECUTORS ARE TRAINED NOT TO BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES.
    TO BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY
    THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T EXIST.
    DON'T EXIST. BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS SKEPTICAL OF
    BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS SKEPTICAL OF COINCIDENCES.
    COINCIDENCES. SO WHEN YOU SEE HIM SAY
    SO WHEN YOU SEE HIM SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN IT
    SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN IT LATER MATERIALIZES THAT RUSSIA
    LATER MATERIALIZES THAT RUSSIA ACTUALLY DID HAVE THOSE E-MAILS,
    ACTUALLY DID HAVE THOSE E-MAILS, YOU NATURALLY ASK YOURSELF WHAT
    YOU NATURALLY ASK YOURSELF WHAT DID HE KNOW.
    DID HE KNOW. THAT IS, I'M SURE, A SIGNIFICANT
    THAT IS, I'M SURE, A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
    FOCUS OF THE INVESTIGATION. THE SAME IS TRUE WITH THIS?
    THE SAME IS TRUE WITH THIS? >> HOW FAR IS IT TO MAKE THIS
    >> HOW FAR IS IT TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION?
    CONNECTION? WHAT PROOF WILL THEY NEED TO
    WHAT PROOF WILL THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT A DEFINITIVE
    MAKE THAT A DEFINITIVE CONNECTION?
    CONNECTION? >> THERE WILL BE INTERNAL
    >> THERE WILL BE INTERNAL E-MAILS, MEMOS, TEXT MESSAGES?
    E-MAILS, MEMOS, TEXT MESSAGES? THERE IS ALL SORTS OF
    THERE IS ALL SORTS OF DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IN THIS DAY
    DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH COMMUNICATIONS.
    AND AGE WITH COMMUNICATIONS. AND THAT WILL ALSO BE THE CASE
    AND THAT WILL ALSO BE THE CASE AS RELATES TO THIS TRUMP TOWER
    AS RELATES TO THIS TRUMP TOWER MEETING.
    MEETING. WHEN TRUMP PROMISES A BIG SPEECH
    WHEN TRUMP PROMISES A BIG SPEECH ON HILLARY CLINTON THAT IS
    ON HILLARY CLINTON THAT IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THIS MEETING
    SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THIS MEETING AND THEN THE MEETING IS A FAIL
    AND THEN THE MEETING IS A FAIL AND THAT SPEECH NEVER HAPPENS,
    AND THAT SPEECH NEVER HAPPENS, THE SAME KIND OF THING IS GOING
    THE SAME KIND OF THING IS GOING ON IN BOTH INSTANCES.
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