Michael Avenatti: Michael Cohen Has 'Multiple' Recordings Of President Trump | Deadline | MSNBC

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    YOU
    YOU >>> LOOK, I DID NOTHING WRONG.
    >>> LOOK, I DID NOTHING WRONG. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THIS
    YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THIS STUFF WOULD HAVE COME OUT A LONG
    STUFF WOULD HAVE COME OUT A LONG TIME AGO.
    TIME AGO. I DID NOTHING WRONG.
    I DID NOTHING WRONG. I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
    I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. IT'S REALLY NICE.
    IT'S REALLY NICE. >> IS HE STILL YOUR FRIEND?
    >> IS HE STILL YOUR FRIEND? >> I ALWAYS LIKE MICHAEL COHEN.
    >> I ALWAYS LIKE MICHAEL COHEN. >> IS HE STILL YOUR LAWYER?
    >> IS HE STILL YOUR LAWYER? >> NOT MY LAWYER, ANY MORE.
    >> NOT MY LAWYER, ANY MORE. BUT I ALWAYS LIKED MICHAEL AND
    BUT I ALWAYS LIKED MICHAEL AND HE'S A GOOD PERSON AND I THINK
    HE'S A GOOD PERSON AND I THINK HE'S BEEN -- EXCUSE ME, DO YOU
    HE'S BEEN -- EXCUSE ME, DO YOU MIND IF I TALK?
    MIND IF I TALK? YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION, I'M
    YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO ASK IT
    TRYING TO ASK IT >> JUST WONDER IF YOU'RE WORRIED
    >> JUST WONDER IF YOU'RE WORRIED HE'S GOING TO COOPERATE --
    HE'S GOING TO COOPERATE -- >> NO, BECAUSE I DID NOTHING
    >> NO, BECAUSE I DID NOTHING WRONG.
    WRONG. >> NOT WORRIED BECAUSE I DID
    >> NOT WORRIED BECAUSE I DID NOTHING WRONG, BUT IT'S AN
    NOTHING WRONG, BUT IT'S AN ATTACK ON THE NATION.
    ATTACK ON THE NATION. WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BREAKING
    WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BREAKING NEWS FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
    NEWS FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" TODAY THE FBI HAS SEIZED A
    TODAY THE FBI HAS SEIZED A RECORDING OF A CONVERSATION
    RECORDING OF A CONVERSATION BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND MICHAEL
    BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND MICHAEL COHEN ABOUT A HUTCH MONEY
    COHEN ABOUT A HUTCH MONEY PAYMENT TO PLAY MAY KAREN MOOK
    PAYMENT TO PLAY MAY KAREN MOOK DOUGAL.
    DOUGAL. MICHAEL AVENATTI, THE ATTORNEY
    MICHAEL AVENATTI, THE ATTORNEY FOR STORMY DANIELS ALSO LOCKED
    FOR STORMY DANIELS ALSO LOCKED IN A LEGAL BATTLE WITH THE
    IN A LEGAL BATTLE WITH THE PRESIDENT OVER HUSH MONEY SAYS
    PRESIDENT OVER HUSH MONEY SAYS IT'S NOT THE ONLY POTENTIALLY
    IT'S NOT THE ONLY POTENTIALLY INCRIMINATING RECORDING OUT
    INCRIMINATING RECORDING OUT THERE.
    THERE. HE JOINS US NOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO
    HE JOINS US NOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE HIM BACK.
    SEE HIM BACK. ALSO JOINING THE TABLE EMILY
    ALSO JOINING THE TABLE EMILY JANE FOX SENIOR REPORTER FOR
    JANE FOX SENIOR REPORTER FOR VANITY FAIR AND MSNBC
    VANITY FAIR AND MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR.
    CONTRIBUTOR. MICHAEL, TAKE US THROUGH YOUR
    MICHAEL, TAKE US THROUGH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE REPORTING TODAY.
    THOUGHTS ON THE REPORTING TODAY. >> I'M NOT SURPRISED BY IT --
    >> I'M NOT SURPRISED BY IT -- >> YOU PREDICTED IT IF I
    >> YOU PREDICTED IT IF I REMEMBER IN ONE OF YOUR EARLY
    REMEMBER IN ONE OF YOUR EARLY APPEARANCES IN THIS PROGRAM.
    APPEARANCES IN THIS PROGRAM. >> NOT ONLY DID I PREDICT IT, I
    >> NOT ONLY DID I PREDICT IT, I STATE
    STATE ED
    ED STATE
    STATE STATED IT ON MAY 30.
    STATED IT ON MAY 30. ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO I DEMANDED
    ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO I DEMANDED THEIR RELEASE.
    THEIR RELEASE. I THEN WENT ON MSNBC AND CNN AND
    I THEN WENT ON MSNBC AND CNN AND DISCUSSED THE EXISTENCE OF THESE
    DISCUSSED THE EXISTENCE OF THESE TAPES.
    TAPES. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GREAT
    SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S GETTING ALL THIS
    THAT IT'S GETTING ALL THIS ATTENTION 7, 8 WEEKS LATER.
    ATTENTION 7, 8 WEEKS LATER. THIS REALLY ISN'T BREAKING NEWS,
    THIS REALLY ISN'T BREAKING NEWS, NICOLLE.
    NICOLLE. I DISCLOSED THE EXISTENCE OF
    I DISCLOSED THE EXISTENCE OF THESE TAPES TUDEV MONTHSWO MONTH
    THESE TAPES TUDEV MONTHSWO MONTH >> I'LL LET YOU WRITE THE
    >> I'LL LET YOU WRITE THE BANNERS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE
    BANNERS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN NEXT TIME.
    SCREEN NEXT TIME. WHETHER WE DESCRIBE IT AS
    WHETHER WE DESCRIBE IT AS BREAKING NEWS OR NOT, TAKE ME
    BREAKING NEWS OR NOT, TAKE ME THROUGH THE LITTLE IMPORT OF
    THROUGH THE LITTLE IMPORT OF HAVING IT CONFIRMED BY THE
    HAVING IT CONFIRMED BY THE PRESIDENT'S OWN LAWYER RUDY
    PRESIDENT'S OWN LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI THAT THE PRESIDENT DID,
    GIULIANI THAT THE PRESIDENT DID, INDEED, HAVE KNOWLEDGE TWO
    INDEED, HAVE KNOWLEDGE TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION IS
    MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION IS WHAT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS
    WHAT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS REPORTING OF THE EXISTENCE OF
    REPORTING OF THE EXISTENCE OF PAYMENTS AND HE WAS SO STEEPED
    PAYMENTS AND HE WAS SO STEEPED IN THE PAYMENT CONVERSATION THAT
    IN THE PAYMENT CONVERSATION THAT HE SUGGESTED PAYING WITH A CHECK
    HE SUGGESTED PAYING WITH A CHECK RATHER THAN CASH.
    RATHER THAN CASH. TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE THE KIND
    TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE THE KIND OF STATEMENT THAT WILL CAUSE
    OF STATEMENT THAT WILL CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.
    MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. WHO IS GETTING CASH PAYMENTS IF
    WHO IS GETTING CASH PAYMENTS IF HE WAS CONSIDERING THAT AS AN
    HE WAS CONSIDERING THAT AS AN OPTION?
    OPTION? JUST TAKE ME THROUGH THE
    JUST TAKE ME THROUGH THE RESPONSE FROM DONALD TRUMP AND
    RESPONSE FROM DONALD TRUMP AND HIS LAWYERS TODAY.
    HIS LAWYERS TODAY. >> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU,
    >> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU, NICOLLE.
    NICOLLE. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO POSE A
    I THINK THAT'S GOING TO POSE A PROBLEM.
    PROBLEM. BUT LOOK, I WANT TO BE REALLY
    BUT LOOK, I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING.
    CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY RECORDING.
    THIS IS NOT THE ONLY RECORDING. THERE ARE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE
    THERE ARE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE RECORDINGS.
    RECORDINGS. OUR POSITION IS THEY SHOULD ALL
    OUR POSITION IS THEY SHOULD ALL BE RELEASED.
    BE RELEASED. THEY SHOULD ALL BE RELEASED NOW.
    THEY SHOULD ALL BE RELEASED NOW. IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME AND IT SHOULD
    IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME AND IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ANYONE THAT KNOWS
    BE OBVIOUS TO ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE WHERE
    ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE WHERE THIS RECORDING CAME FROM.
    THIS RECORDING CAME FROM. MICHAEL COHEN AND HIS ATTORNEYS
    MICHAEL COHEN AND HIS ATTORNEYS LEAKED THIS PARTICULAR RECORDING
    LEAKED THIS PARTICULAR RECORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
    TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES." I MEAN, I KNOW IT AND ANYBODY
    I MEAN, I KNOW IT AND ANYBODY THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION KNOWS
    THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION KNOWS IT.
    IT. IT'S OBVIOUS.
    IT'S OBVIOUS. IT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT COME FROM
    IT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT COME FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
    THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND I BELIEVE I KNOW THE
    YORK AND I BELIEVE I KNOW THE REASON WHY THEY LEAKED THIS
    REASON WHY THEY LEAKED THIS PARTICULAR RECORDING TO "THE NEW
    PARTICULAR RECORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES," WHICH IS ONE OF EM
    YORK TIMES," WHICH IS ONE OF EM MANY.
    MANY. >> WHAT IS THE REASON?
    >> WHAT IS THE REASON? WE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO
    WE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO LEAKED IT AND "THE NEW YORK
    LEAKED IT AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES" DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT.
    TIMES" DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO OUR
    I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO OUR VIEWERS THAT'S YOUR POSITION.
    VIEWERS THAT'S YOUR POSITION. BUT TELL US WHY YOU THINK THIS
    BUT TELL US WHY YOU THINK THIS PARTICULAR RECORDING WAS LEAKED.
    PARTICULAR RECORDING WAS LEAKED. >> BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF MANY
    >> BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF MANY RECORDINGS, AND IT WAS LEAKED AS
    RECORDINGS, AND IT WAS LEAKED AS A FURTHER SHOT ACROSS THE BOW
    A FURTHER SHOT ACROSS THE BOW AIMED AT DONALD TRUMP AND THE
    AIMED AT DONALD TRUMP AND THE WHITE HOUSE TO LET THEM KNOW
    WHITE HOUSE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IF THEY DON'T PLAY BALL
    THAT IF THEY DON'T PLAY BALL WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND GET HIM
    WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND GET HIM IN THE TENT VERY, VERY QUICKLY,
    IN THE TENT VERY, VERY QUICKLY, THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE
    THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT FALLOUT.
    SIGNIFICANT FALLOUT. AND YOU'VE SEEN A PROGRESSION
    AND YOU'VE SEEN A PROGRESSION OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS OF THESE
    OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS OF THESE CONTINUAL WARNING SHOTS AIMED AT
    CONTINUAL WARNING SHOTS AIMED AT DONALD TRUMP.
    DONALD TRUMP. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD FROM LANNY
    YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD FROM LANNY DAVIS AND OTHERS THAT MICHAEL
    DAVIS AND OTHERS THAT MICHAEL COHEN, HE'S A PATRIOT.
    COHEN, HE'S A PATRIOT. HE LOVES HIS COUNTRY.
    HE LOVES HIS COUNTRY. HE'S GOING TO PUT HIS COUNTRY
    HE'S GOING TO PUT HIS COUNTRY AND HIS FAMILY ABOVE ALL ELSE.
    AND HIS FAMILY ABOVE ALL ELSE. WELL, LOOK, IF THAT'S TRUE, HE
    WELL, LOOK, IF THAT'S TRUE, HE SHOULD DISCLOSE ALL OF THE TAPES
    SHOULD DISCLOSE ALL OF THE TAPES AND ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.
    AND ALL OF THE EVIDENCE. THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING HIM
    THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING HIM FROM DOING IT.
    FROM DOING IT. THE FBI IS NOT PROHIBITING HIM
    THE FBI IS NOT PROHIBITING HIM FROM DOING IT.
    FROM DOING IT. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
    THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS NOT PROHIBITING HIM FROM
    YORK IS NOT PROHIBITING HIM FROM DOING IT.
    DOING IT. I MEAN, HE SHOULD DO IT.
    I MEAN, HE SHOULD DO IT. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
    >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SAM NUNBERG SAID.
    SOMETHING THAT SAM NUNBERG SAID. HE'S A FORMER CAMPAIGN AIDE TO
    HE'S A FORMER CAMPAIGN AIDE TO DONALD TRUMP.
    DONALD TRUMP. AND HE SAID IN AN INTERVIEW
    AND HE SAID IN AN INTERVIEW ABOUT HIS TIME -- HIS INTERVIEW
    ABOUT HIS TIME -- HIS INTERVIEW WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
    WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. HE SAID, ARI MELBER ASKED ABOUT
    HE SAID, ARI MELBER ASKED ABOUT PAYMENTS TO WOMEN.
    PAYMENTS TO WOMEN. THEY WERE ASKING IF I KNEW
    THEY WERE ASKING IF I KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
    ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEY ASKED IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING
    THEY ASKED IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT PAYMENTS TO WOMEN.
    ABOUT PAYMENTS TO WOMEN. NUNBERG SAID IT'S OBVIOUS
    NUNBERG SAID IT'S OBVIOUS THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THIS.
    THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THIS. STEVE BANNON SAYS ALLEGEDLY IN
    STEVE BANNON SAYS ALLEGEDLY IN FIRE
    FIRE "FIRE AND FURY," ONE OF THE
    "FIRE AND FURY," ONE OF THE EARLY LAWYERS TOOK CARE OF
    EARLY LAWYERS TOOK CARE OF HUNDREDS OF WOMEN.
    HUNDREDS OF WOMEN. REMIND ME AND REMIND OUR VIEWERS
    REMIND ME AND REMIND OUR VIEWERS THAT BEYOND POTENTIAL CAMPAIGN
    THAT BEYOND POTENTIAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS, WHAT SORT OF
    FINANCE VIOLATIONS, WHAT SORT OF LEGAL PERIL COULD PAYMENTS TO
    LEGAL PERIL COULD PAYMENTS TO WOMEN REPRESENT FOR THE
    WOMEN REPRESENT FOR THE PRESIDENT?
    PRESIDENT? >> WELL, THE KEY --
    >> WELL, THE KEY -- >> AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT,
    >> AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHY WOULD BOB MUELLER BE
    BUT WHY WOULD BOB MUELLER BE ASKING THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES
    ASKING THE PRESIDENT'S AIDES ABOUT PAYMENTS TO WOMEN?
    ABOUT PAYMENTS TO WOMEN? >> THE KEY, NICOLLE, IS HOW THE
    >> THE KEY, NICOLLE, IS HOW THE MONEY FLOWED FROM ONE PLACE TO
    MONEY FLOWED FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND HOW IT WAS HANDLED,
    ANOTHER AND HOW IT WAS HANDLED, WHETHER IT BE BY MONEY
    WHETHER IT BE BY MONEY LAUNDERING TECHNIQUES, WHETHER
    LAUNDERING TECHNIQUES, WHETHER IT BE BY BANK FRAUD POTENTIALLY
    IT BE BY BANK FRAUD POTENTIALLY RELATING TO THE OPENING AND
    RELATING TO THE OPENING AND CLOSING OF VARIOUS ACCOUNTS, FOR
    CLOSING OF VARIOUS ACCOUNTS, FOR INSTANCE.
    INSTANCE. WE KNOW THAT THE ACCOUNT THAT
    WE KNOW THAT THE ACCOUNT THAT MICHAEL COHEN OPENED AT FIRST
    MICHAEL COHEN OPENED AT FIRST REPUBLIC BANK, IT'S CLEAR NOW
    REPUBLIC BANK, IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT HE LIED TO THE BANK IN
    THAT HE LIED TO THE BANK IN CONNECTION WITH THE PURPOSE OF
    CONNECTION WITH THE PURPOSE OF THAT ACCOUNT.
    THAT ACCOUNT. I BELIEVE HE STATED IT WAS FOR
    I BELIEVE HE STATED IT WAS FOR REAL ESTATE CONSULTING PURPOSES.
    REAL ESTATE CONSULTING PURPOSES. HE LIED TO THE BANK ABOUT HOW
    HE LIED TO THE BANK ABOUT HOW MANY TRANSACTIONS WERE EXPECTED
    MANY TRANSACTIONS WERE EXPECTED TO OCCUR IN THAT ACCOUNT.
    TO OCCUR IN THAT ACCOUNT. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE RISE
    THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE RISE TO BANK FRAUD.
    TO BANK FRAUD. SO THE KEY HERE IS, SEPARATE AND
    SO THE KEY HERE IS, SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE
    APART FROM THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS OR POTENTIAL
    VIOLATIONS OR POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS, IS THE FLOW OF THE
    VIOLATIONS, IS THE FLOW OF THE MONEY AND HOW IT FLOWED IN AND
    MONEY AND HOW IT FLOWED IN AND OUT OF THESE ACCOUNTS AND HOW
    OUT OF THESE ACCOUNTS AND HOW THEY'D PAYMENTS WERE MADE.
    THEY'D PAYMENTS WERE MADE. AND I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU,
    AND I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU, BY THE WAY, YOUR OBSERVATION
    BY THE WAY, YOUR OBSERVATION THAT CASH WAS EVEN ON THE TABLE
    THAT CASH WAS EVEN ON THE TABLE WAS EVEN AN OPTION WHEN YOU'RE
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