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    ALL OF IT AS THE 11th HOUR GETS UNDER WAY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
    UNDER WAY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. >>> GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK.
    >>> GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK. DAY 554 OF THE TRUMP
    DAY 554 OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT
    ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT ESCALATES THE WAR ON HIS FORMER
    ESCALATES THE WAR ON HIS FORMER LAWYER AND CONFIDANT MICHAEL
    LAWYER AND CONFIDANT MICHAEL COHEN WHILE DENYING HE HAD ANY
    COHEN WHILE DENYING HE HAD ANY ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE JUNE
    ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE JUNE 2016 MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER.
    2016 MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER. A SOURCE HAS TOLD NBC NEWS COHEN
    A SOURCE HAS TOLD NBC NEWS COHEN IS WILLING TO TELL ROBERT
    IS WILLING TO TELL ROBERT MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR
    MUELLER THAT DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR INFORMED HIS FATHER ABOUT THE
    INFORMED HIS FATHER ABOUT THE MEETING BEFORE IT TOOK PLACE.
    MEETING BEFORE IT TOOK PLACE. TRUMP SON HAD THE MEETING WITH
    TRUMP SON HAD THE MEETING WITH SEVERAL RUSSIANS AFTER HE WAS
    SEVERAL RUSSIANS AFTER HE WAS TOLD THEY WERE COMING PREPARED
    TOLD THEY WERE COMING PREPARED WITH DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT
    WITH DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON.
    HILLARY CLINTON. THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED SO THE
    THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED SO THE FAKE NEWS DOESN'T WASTE MY TIME
    FAKE NEWS DOESN'T WASTE MY TIME WITH DUMB QUESTIONS, NO I DID
    WITH DUMB QUESTIONS, NO I DID NOT KNOW OF THE MEETING WITH MY
    NOT KNOW OF THE MEETING WITH MY SON.
    SON. SOUNDS
    SOUNDS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS
    SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES TO GET
    TRYING TO MAKE UP STORIES TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF AN UNRELATED JAM.
    HIMSELF OUT OF AN UNRELATED JAM. TAXICABS, MAYBE.
    TAXICABS, MAYBE. WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE.
    WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE. HE RETAINED BILL AND CROOKED
    HE RETAINED BILL AND CROOKED HILLARY'S LAWYER.
    HILLARY'S LAWYER. I WONDER IF THEY MADE HIM HELP
    I WONDER IF THEY MADE HIM HELP THE CHOICE.
    THE CHOICE. THE
    THE THE PRESIDENT STEERED CLEAR OF
    THE PRESIDENT STEERED CLEAR OF THIS TOPIC DURING HIS EVENT AT
    THIS TOPIC DURING HIS EVENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY DESIGNED
    THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY DESIGNED TO HIGHLIGHT ECONOMIC NUMBERS.
    TO HIGHLIGHT ECONOMIC NUMBERS. AS TRUMP WRAPPED UP KRISTEN
    AS TRUMP WRAPPED UP KRISTEN WELKER ASKED HIM ABOUT MICHAEL
    WELKER ASKED HIM ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN.
    COHEN. >> IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
    >> IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
    TRUTH? IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
    IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
    TRUTH? IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE
    IS MICHAEL COHEN TELLING THE TRUTH?
    TRUTH? >> AS WE SAY IT'S BEEN TEN TIMES
    >> AS WE SAY IT'S BEEN TEN TIMES NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS IGNORED
    NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS IGNORED REPORTERS QUESTIONS SINCE THE
    REPORTERS QUESTIONS SINCE THE COHEN AUDIO FIRST AIRED TUESDAY
    COHEN AUDIO FIRST AIRED TUESDAY EVENING.
    EVENING. THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE WHITE
    THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS IN THE
    HOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS IN THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY.
    ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY. ON THE COHEN FRONT POLITICO
    ON THE COHEN FRONT POLITICO REPORTS THE PRESIDENT ADVISORS
    REPORTS THE PRESIDENT ADVISORS HAVE BEEN TAKEN ABACK BY COHEN'S
    HAVE BEEN TAKEN ABACK BY COHEN'S NO HOLDS BARRED APPROACH AND HIS
    NO HOLDS BARRED APPROACH AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO PUBLICLY REVEAL
    WILLINGNESS TO PUBLICLY REVEAL POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING DETAILS
    POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING DETAILS OF HIS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS
    OF HIS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT.
    WITH THE PRESIDENT. ASKED TO DESCRIBE THE MOOD AMONG
    ASKED TO DESCRIBE THE MOOD AMONG TRUMP'S CLOSE CONFIDANTS, ONE
    TRUMP'S CLOSE CONFIDANTS, ONE PERSON CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT
    PERSON CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT REPLIED SIMPLY NOT GOOD.
    REPLIED SIMPLY NOT GOOD. TRUMP IS ENRANGED OVER THE COHEN
    TRUMP IS ENRANGED OVER THE COHEN REVELATIONS.
    REVELATIONS. EMILY JANE FOX WHO IS STANDING
    EMILY JANE FOX WHO IS STANDING BY SDWROINTO JOIN US, HER LATEST
    BY SDWROINTO JOIN US, HER LATEST OUT JUST LATE TODAY DETAILS THE
    OUT JUST LATE TODAY DETAILS THE CURRENT MOOD IN THE COHEN CAMP.
    CURRENT MOOD IN THE COHEN CAMP. NOW THE BOND BETWEEN TRUMP AND
    NOW THE BOND BETWEEN TRUMP AND COHEN APPEARS TO BE IRREVOCABLY
    COHEN APPEARS TO BE IRREVOCABLY TORN ASUNDAYER.
    TORN ASUNDAYER. MAYBE COHEN WILL BE THE ONE TO
    MAYBE COHEN WILL BE THE ONE TO PULL THIS WHOLE THING APART.
    PULL THIS WHOLE THING APART. HE'S THE NEXT JOHN DEAN.
    HE'S THE NEXT JOHN DEAN. FOX ALSO REPORTS ONE OF THE
    FOX ALSO REPORTS ONE OF THE PEOPLE SHE SPOKE TO REFERRED TO
    PEOPLE SHE SPOKE TO REFERRED TO COHEN AS HAVING QUOTE, A
    COHEN AS HAVING QUOTE, A TREASURE-TROVE OF INFORMATION
    TREASURE-TROVE OF INFORMATION THAT HE SAYS HE COULD UNLEASH IN
    THAT HE SAYS HE COULD UNLEASH IN ORDER TO RECIPROCALLY COMPLICATE
    ORDER TO RECIPROCALLY COMPLICATE THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE.
    THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE. >> WHAT MICHAEL HAS MADE VERY
    >> WHAT MICHAEL HAS MADE VERY CLEAR AND THIS IS MAN HE WORKED
    CLEAR AND THIS IS MAN HE WORKED FOR, NOTHING WENT ON IN THIS
    FOR, NOTHING WENT ON IN THIS BUSINESS WITHOUT DONALD KNOWING
    BUSINESS WITHOUT DONALD KNOWING ABOUT IT AND HE LED ME TO
    ABOUT IT AND HE LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD BRING
    BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD BRING TRUMP BACK TO RUSSIA.
    TRUMP BACK TO RUSSIA. WHAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY TO ME
    WHAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY TO ME WAS NOT A SURPRISED BASED ON
    WAS NOT A SURPRISED BASED ON CONVERSATIONS MICHAEL AND I HAD.
    CONVERSATIONS MICHAEL AND I HAD. >> DID HE REFERENCE THIS MEETING
    >> DID HE REFERENCE THIS MEETING IN PARTICULAR?
    IN PARTICULAR? >> YES, HE DID.
    >> YES, HE DID. >> ROBERT MUELLER, FOR HIS PART,
    >> ROBERT MUELLER, FOR HIS PART, HAS NOT YET SPOKEN TO DONALD
    HAS NOT YET SPOKEN TO DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR BUT THE TWO MEN
    TRUMP JUNIOR BUT THE TWO MEN WERE A FEW FEET APART TODAY.
    WERE A FEW FEET APART TODAY. POLITICO PUBLISHED OF BOTH MEN
    POLITICO PUBLISHED OF BOTH MEN WAITING FOR THE SAME FLIGHT OUT
    WAITING FOR THE SAME FLIGHT OUT OF D.C. WHILE SEEMINGLY UNAWARE
    OF D.C. WHILE SEEMINGLY UNAWARE OF EACH OTHER AT WASHINGTON
    OF EACH OTHER AT WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT.
    NATIONAL AIRPORT. THERE'S ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT
    THERE'S ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT REGARDING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
    REGARDING THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. MUELLER'S OFFICE PLANS TO CALL
    MUELLER'S OFFICE PLANS TO CALL 35 WITNESSES IN FINANCIAL CRIMES
    35 WITNESSES IN FINANCIAL CRIMES TRIAL OF PAUL MANAFORT WHICH IS
    TRIAL OF PAUL MANAFORT WHICH IS SLATED TO BEGIN TUESDAY.
    SLATED TO BEGIN TUESDAY. THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO TRIALS
    THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO TRIALS FOR MANAFORT.
    FOR MANAFORT. THE WITNESS LIST WAS MADE PUBLIC
    THE WITNESS LIST WAS MADE PUBLIC JUST TODAY.
    JUST TODAY. THE BIGGEST NAME ON IT, NO
    THE BIGGEST NAME ON IT, NO SURPRISE IS RICK GATES.
    SURPRISE IS RICK GATES. MANAFORT'S FORMER PARTNER AND
    MANAFORT'S FORMER PARTNER AND ONE TIME DEPUTY ON THE TRUMP
    ONE TIME DEPUTY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHO PLEADED GUILTY AND
    CAMPAIGN WHO PLEADED GUILTY AND IS COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER
    IS COOPERATING WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
    INVESTIGATION. AFTER ALL OF THAT, LET'S BRING
    AFTER ALL OF THAT, LET'S BRING IN OUR LEAD OFF PANEL.
    IN OUR LEAD OFF PANEL. EMILY JANE FOX.
    EMILY JANE FOX. SHE WROTE THE BOOK ON THE TRUMP
    SHE WROTE THE BOOK ON THE TRUMP FAMILY.
    FAMILY. IT'S CALLED "BORN TRUMP, INSIDE
    IT'S CALLED "BORN TRUMP, INSIDE AMERICA'S FIRST FAMILY."
    AMERICA'S FIRST FAMILY." JILL WINEBANKS.
    JILL WINEBANKS. GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL.
    GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. EMILY, HERE IN NEW YORK, I'D
    EMILY, HERE IN NEW YORK, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU.
    LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU. IN THIS RELATIONSHIP HASN'T
    IN THIS RELATIONSHIP HASN'T SOURED, I'D HATE TO SEE A
    SOURED, I'D HATE TO SEE A RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS.
    RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS. >> SEEMS A LITTLE CHILLY.
    >> SEEMS A LITTLE CHILLY. >> YEAH.
    >> YEAH. HELP ME GO THROUGH THE TWO CAMPS
    HELP ME GO THROUGH THE TWO CAMPS OF BELIEF, WILL YOU PLEASE.
    OF BELIEF, WILL YOU PLEASE. HOW THESE RECORDINGS HAVE
    HOW THESE RECORDINGS HAVE ENTERING THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
    ENTERING THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. THERE'S BELIEF NUMBER ONE THAT
    THERE'S BELIEF NUMBER ONE THAT COHEN HAS LEAKED THESE AS A
    COHEN HAS LEAKED THESE AS A BRUSH BACK PITCH TO SAY MR.
    BRUSH BACK PITCH TO SAY MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S A LOT MORE
    PRESIDENT, THERE'S A LOT MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
    WHERE THIS CAME FROM. THEORY NUMBER TWO IS THIS IS
    THEORY NUMBER TWO IS THIS IS COME FRGING FROM THE TRUMP TEAM,
    COME FRGING FROM THE TRUMP TEAM, EMBRACE AND OWN SOME OF THE
    EMBRACE AND OWN SOME OF THE WORSE THEY KNOW IS COMING
    WORSE THEY KNOW IS COMING BECAUSE THAT TAKES AN ARROW AWAY
    BECAUSE THAT TAKES AN ARROW AWAY FROM COHEN AND HIS VALUE AS A
    FROM COHEN AND HIS VALUE AS A FLIP TARGET TO THE FEDS.
    FLIP TARGET TO THE FEDS. >> THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND
    >> THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY COMPLICATED PARLOR GAME
    VERY COMPLICATED PARLOR GAME THAT WE'RE PLAYING HERE.
    THAT WE'RE PLAYING HERE. IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE BOTH
    IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES
    SIDES HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES HERE.
    HERE. ON THE ONE SIDE THE COHEN CAMP
    ON THE ONE SIDE THE COHEN CAMP NOT ONLY HAVE PEOPLE BEEN
    NOT ONLY HAVE PEOPLE BEEN SAYING, AS YOU SAID, PERHAPS
    SAYING, AS YOU SAID, PERHAPS HE'S SENDING THIS AS A SIGNAL TO
    HE'S SENDING THIS AS A SIGNAL TO WHAT HE CAN OFFER TO DONALD
    WHAT HE CAN OFFER TO DONALD TRUMP BUT SOME HAVE ARGUED HE'S
    TRUMP BUT SOME HAVE ARGUED HE'S SENDING A SMOKE SIGNAL LOOKING
    SENDING A SMOKE SIGNAL LOOKING FOR PARDON.
    FOR PARDON. PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO COHEN
    PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO COHEN AND FAMILIAR WITH HIS THINKING
    AND FAMILIAR WITH HIS THINKING HAVE FLAT OUT DENIED THAT TIME
    HAVE FLAT OUT DENIED THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
    AND TIME AGAIN. THEY HAVE SAID THE WAY THAT YOU
    THEY HAVE SAID THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD GET A PARDON IS NOT BY
    WOULD GET A PARDON IS NOT BY ANGERING THE PRESIDENT AND STIB
    ANGERING THE PRESIDENT AND STIB STICKING A THUMB IN HIS EYE.
    STICKING A THUMB IN HIS EYE. IF HE WERE TO GET A PRE-PARDON
    IF HE WERE TO GET A PRE-PARDON HE WOULD BE SUBPOENAED AND WOULD
    HE WOULD BE SUBPOENAED AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLEAD THE FIFTH.
    NOT BE ABLE TO PLEAD THE FIFTH. THAT'S ACCORDING TO ALL OF MY
    THAT'S ACCORDING TO ALL OF MY REPORTING HE HAS TAKEN OFFER THE
    REPORTING HE HAS TAKEN OFFER THE TABLE.
    TABLE. ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE
    ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMP AND THERE
    PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMP AND THERE WAS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT ON
    WAS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT ON FRIDAY WHEN THE REPORTINGS WERE
    FRIDAY WHEN THE REPORTINGS WERE FIRST RELAESEASED AND RUDY GIULI
    FIRST RELAESEASED AND RUDY GIULI WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE
    WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE RECORD DESCRIBING THE SUBJECT
    RECORD DESCRIBING THE SUBJECT MATTER.
    MATTER. HE WAS ABLE TO CONTROL THE
    HE WAS ABLE TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE FOR A FEW DAYS UNTIL
    NARRATIVE FOR A FEW DAYS UNTIL LA IN
    LA IN LANNY DAVIS PUT IT OUT THIS
    LANNY DAVIS PUT IT OUT THIS WEEK.
    WEEK. IT WAS A SMART TACTIC TO DEFINE
    IT WAS A SMART TACTIC TO DEFINE THE NARRATIVE EVEN THOUGH WE
    THE NARRATIVE EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED
    KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE NARRATIVE THAT HE LAID
    ABOUT THE NARRATIVE THAT HE LAID OUT THERE.
    OUT THERE. WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMPLICATED
    WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMPLICATED SET OF MOTIVATIONS FROM EACH
    SET OF MOTIVATIONS FROM EACH SIDE.
    SIDE. CHARACTERS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE
    CHARACTERS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST
    NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY OR HAVE THE GREATEST
    TRUSTWORTHY OR HAVE THE GREATEST CREDIBILITY AND TRY AND
    CREDIBILITY AND TRY AND DETERMINE WHO LEAKED WHAT WHEN
    DETERMINE WHO LEAKED WHAT WHEN IS A DIFFICULT GAME.
    IS A DIFFICULT GAME. I WILL SAY THAT FROM MY
    I WILL SAY THAT FROM MY REPORTING IN THE COHEN WORLD OF
    REPORTING IN THE COHEN WORLD OF THE PAST 24 HOURS AFTER THIS
    THE PAST 24 HOURS AFTER THIS RELATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT WHAT
    RELATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT WHAT MICHAEL COHEN MAY NOT ABOUT THE
    MICHAEL COHEN MAY NOT ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING, THEY HAVE
    TRUMP TOWER MEETING, THEY HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE DID
    SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE DID NOT LEAK THIS BECAUSE THIS DOES
    NOT LEAK THIS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT SERVE US.
    NOT SERVE US. TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC
    TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC WAS NOT OUR STRATEGY.
    WAS NOT OUR STRATEGY. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO
    WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT
    THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER WITH THIS INFORMATION.
    MUELLER WITH THIS INFORMATION. IT DOESN'T SERVE US TO HAVE THIS
    IT DOESN'T SERVE US TO HAVE THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
    OUT IN THE PUBLIC. IT'S POSSIBLE, IN SOME WAY, THAT
    IT'S POSSIBLE, IN SOME WAY, THAT IT DOES SERVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
    IT DOES SERVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DAMAGING
    HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DAMAGING THINGS OUT THERE PERHAPS TO
    THINGS OUT THERE PERHAPS TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AND MAKE
    CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MICHAEL
    IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MICHAEL COHEN TO COOPERATE.
    COHEN TO COOPERATE. IF HE'S NOT GOING TO COOPERATE
    IF HE'S NOT GOING TO COOPERATE THEN MAYBE THE PRESIDENT CAN
    THEN MAYBE THE PRESIDENT CAN BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER TONIGHT.
    BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER TONIGHT. >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH
    >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH CONVERSATIONS, THE LIKES OF
    CONVERSATIONS, THE LIKES OF WHICH WE'RE HAVING HERE IS, IT'S
    WHICH WE'RE HAVING HERE IS, IT'S ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF LEAKING
    ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF LEAKING AND WE'RE FORGETTING THE STORY
    AND WE'RE FORGETTING THE STORY IN CHIEF IS OH, YEAH, BY THE
    IN CHIEF IS OH, YEAH, BY THE WAY.
    WAY. IT'S ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT HAD A
    IT'S ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT HAD A HEADS UP ON RUSSIANS COMING TO
    HEADS UP ON RUSSIANS COMING TO HIS OFFICE BUILDING IN NEW YORK
    HIS OFFICE BUILDING IN NEW YORK PRIOR TO HIM BECOMING PRESIDENT
    PRIOR TO HIM BECOMING PRESIDENT WITH DIRT ON HIS OPPONENT.
    WITH DIRT ON HIS OPPONENT. ONE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SILENT
    ONE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SILENT BUT FOR HIS TWITTER FEED THIS
    BUT FOR HIS TWITTER FEED THIS WEEK.
    WEEK. >> RIGHT.
    >> RIGHT. GIVEN HIS NO COLLUSION MANTRE
    GIVEN HIS NO COLLUSION MANTRE THAT HE'S PUT FORWARD TIME AND
    THAT HE'S PUT FORWARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THERE COULD HARDLY
    TIME AGAIN, THERE COULD HARDLY BE A MORE DAMAGING ALLEGATION
    BE A MORE DAMAGING ALLEGATION THAT HE WAS AWARE IN ADVANCE HIS
    THAT HE WAS AWARE IN ADVANCE HIS CAMPAIGN WAS ENDEVOURING TO GET
    CAMPAIGN WAS ENDEVOURING TO GET DAMAGING POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE
    DAMAGING POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE ABOUT HIS OPPONENT FROM RUSSIANS
    ABOUT HIS OPPONENT FROM RUSSIANS AND RUSSIANS THAT I BELIEVE HIS
    AND RUSSIANS THAT I BELIEVE HIS OWN FAMILY HAD BEEN TOLD HAD
    OWN FAMILY HAD BEEN TOLD HAD SOME CONNECTION TO THE RUSSIAN
    SOME CONNECTION TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
    GOVERNMENT. THERE'S NO QUESTION THIS WOULD
    THERE'S NO QUESTION THIS WOULD INJURE HIS NARRATIVE IF PEOPLE
    INJURE HIS NARRATIVE IF PEOPLE BELIEVE IT.
    BELIEVE IT. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS AS EMILY
    I THINK THE PROBLEM IS AS EMILY POINTS OUT THERE'S A NEED FOR
    POINTS OUT THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CORROBORATION.
    SOME ADDITIONAL CORROBORATION. THE FIGURES KREBLTDS ARE NOT
    THE FIGURES KREBLTDS ARE NOT FAMILIAR HIGH AND MADE A NUMBER
    FAMILIAR HIGH AND MADE A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS NOT TO BE
    OF STATEMENTS NOT TO BE ACCURATE.
    ACCURATE. THE REAL QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER
    THE REAL QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER MICHAEL COHEN HAS STORIES THAT
    MICHAEL COHEN HAS STORIES THAT COULD DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT BUT
    COULD DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT BUT WHETHER HE COULD LEAD OTHER
    WHETHER HE COULD LEAD OTHER FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS TO
    FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS TO PROVABLE FACTS TO OIR SOURCETHER
    PROVABLE FACTS TO OIR SOURCETHER OF INFORMATION THAT COULD ALLOW
    OF INFORMATION THAT COULD ALLOW THEM TO ASSEMBLE A DAMAGING CASE
    THEM TO ASSEMBLE A DAMAGING CASE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
    AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. IF IT'S STORIES HE'S TELLING
    IF IT'S STORIES HE'S TELLING MICHAEL COHEN, I DON'T THINK
    MICHAEL COHEN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DAMAGE.
    IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DAMAGE. >> NOW THE JILL WINEBANKS.
    >> NOW THE JILL WINEBANKS. IF THERE'S A SHORT VERSION OF
    IF THERE'S A SHORT VERSION OF THIS ANSWER, IF IT'S ANSWERABLE,
    THIS ANSWER, IF IT'S ANSWERABLE, IF YOUR VIEW HOW HAS COHEN'S
    IF YOUR VIEW HOW HAS COHEN'S CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK SINCE
    CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK SINCE TUESDAY?
    TUESDAY? HOW HAS TRUMP'S CASE CHANGED
    HOW HAS TRUMP'S CASE CHANGED THIS WEEK?
    THIS WEEK? >> I WOULD SAY THAT COHEN IS IN
    >> I WOULD SAY THAT COHEN IS IN THE SAME POSITION HE WAS IN
    THE SAME POSITION HE WAS IN TERMS OF WHATEVER EVIDENCE
    TERMS OF WHATEVER EVIDENCE EXISTS AGAINST HIM BUT THAT HE
    EXISTS AGAINST HIM BUT THAT HE HAS PUT HIMSELF IN A BETTER
    HAS PUT HIMSELF IN A BETTER POSITION BECAUSE IF HE REALLY
    POSITION BECAUSE IF HE REALLY DOES HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO
    DOES HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO TESTIFY THAT HE WAS IN THE ROOM
    TESTIFY THAT HE WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN DONALD TRUMP SENIOR LEARNED
    WHEN DONALD TRUMP SENIOR LEARNED ABOUT THE MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER
    ABOUT THE MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER AND IF HE WILL IDENTIFY THE
    AND IF HE WILL IDENTIFY THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO, RUMOR HAS IT,
    OTHER PEOPLE WHO, RUMOR HAS IT, WERE ALSO IN THE ROOM IT MEANS
    WERE ALSO IN THE ROOM IT MEANS IT'S NOT HIS WORD AGAINST THE
    IT'S NOT HIS WORD AGAINST THE PRESIDENT'S WORD AND AS
    PRESIDENT'S WORD AND AS EVERYBODY HAS POINTED OUT, THEY
    EVERYBODY HAS POINTED OUT, THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES.
    BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES. RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING THAT
    RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING THAT COHEN IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND
    COHEN IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND HE KNOWS THAT BECAUSE COHEN LIED
    HE KNOWS THAT BECAUSE COHEN LIED FOR HIS CLIENT FOR MANY YEARS,
    FOR HIS CLIENT FOR MANY YEARS, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY A VERY
    WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY A VERY SFRONG
    SFRONG STRONG DEFENSE.
    STRONG DEFENSE. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THE CLIENT
    WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THE CLIENT WHO HIRED THE LAWYER TO LIE FOR
    WHO HIRED THE LAWYER TO LIE FOR HIM?
    HIM? THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY
    THEY BOTH HAVE CREDIBILITY ISSUES.
    ISSUES. IF HE CAN IDENTIFY THE OTHER
    IF HE CAN IDENTIFY THE OTHER WITNESSES, IT MEANS THERE'S A
    WITNESSES, IT MEANS THERE'S A REALLY CREDIBLE CASE.
    REALLY CREDIBLE CASE. IF I'M VIEWING THIS AS A TRIAL
    IF I'M VIEWING THIS AS A TRIAL LAWYER, JURORS REALLY CAN MAKE
    LAWYER, JURORS REALLY CAN MAKE LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS.
    LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS. THE EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT IS
    THE EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT IS GETTING VERY COMPELLING THAT
    GETTING VERY COMPELLING THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR WILLINGNESS TO
    THERE WAS A CLEAR WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS TO
    ACCEPT HELP FROM THE RUSSIANS TO WIN THE ELECTION, TO COLLUDE
    WIN THE ELECTION, TO COLLUDE WITH THEM AS THE PUBLIC IS
    WITH THEM AS THE PUBLIC IS CALLING IT OR ENTER INTO A
    CALLING IT OR ENTER INTO A CONSPIRACY WITH THEM, WHICH IS
    CONSPIRACY WITH THEM, WHICH IS WHAT THE CRIME IS.
    WHAT THE CRIME IS. IT'S GONE TO THE STAGE WHERE
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