Amb. Ginsberg: Trump Treatment Of Fellow U.S. Diplomat Despicable | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC

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    METAWE'RE TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE.
    TALKING ABOUT MY VOICE. ARI, BYE.
    ARI, BYE. >> BYE, KATY.
    >> BYE, KATY. >>> THE TRUMP-MADE RUSSIA CRISIS
    >>> THE TRUMP-MADE RUSSIA CRISIS ENGULFING THE WHITE HOUSE THIS
    ENGULFING THE WHITE HOUSE THIS WEEK IS TAKING A MAJOR TURN
    WEEK IS TAKING A MAJOR TURN RIGHT NOW.
    RIGHT NOW. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS INVITING
    PRESIDENT TRUMP IS INVITING VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE
    VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR A NEW SEPARATE SPECIAL
    HOUSE FOR A NEW SEPARATE SPECIAL MEETING.
    MEETING. IT COMES AS HIS OWN INTEL CHIEF
    IT COMES AS HIS OWN INTEL CHIEF CONCEDES TODAY THAT TRUMP DIDN'T
    CONCEDES TODAY THAT TRUMP DIDN'T TAKE THE RIGHT APPROACH IN HIS
    TAKE THE RIGHT APPROACH IN HIS BIG MEETING WITH PUTIN THIS
    BIG MEETING WITH PUTIN THIS WEEK, SAYING HE WOULD HAVE DONE
    WEEK, SAYING HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT A DIFFERENT WAY TO AVOID
    IT A DIFFERENT WAY TO AVOID GIVING VLADIMIR PUTIN POWER BY
    GIVING VLADIMIR PUTIN POWER BY HOLDING THIS NOW VERY
    HOLDING THIS NOW VERY CONTROVERSIAL MEETING WITHOUT
    CONTROVERSIAL MEETING WITHOUT U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF IN
    U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF IN THE ROOM.
    THE ROOM. >> THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT OUGHT
    >> THEY ASKED ME HOW THAT OUGHT TO BE CONDUCTED.
    TO BE CONDUCTED. I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED A
    I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED A DIFFERENT WAY.
    DIFFERENT WAY. BUT THAT'S NOT MY ROLE.
    BUT THAT'S NOT MY ROLE. THAT'S NOT MY JOB.
    THAT'S NOT MY JOB. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
    SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> IT IS WHAT IS.
    >> IT IS WHAT IS. COATS MAKING WAVES BY ADMITTING
    COATS MAKING WAVES BY ADMITTING HE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHEN
    HE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK WHEN PUTIN'S TOP OFFICIALS WENT INTO
    PUTIN'S TOP OFFICIALS WENT INTO THAT OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITHOUT
    THAT OVAL OFFICE MEETING WITHOUT NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF, AND
    NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF, AND THAT WAS, OF COURSE, ANOTHER
    THAT WAS, OF COURSE, ANOTHER VERY ODD RUSSIA-RELATED MEETING
    VERY ODD RUSSIA-RELATED MEETING TRUMP HELD.
    TRUMP HELD. THE WHITE HOUSE IS PUSHING
    THE WHITE HOUSE IS PUSHING FORWARD, THOUGH, WITH THIS OTHER
    FORWARD, THOUGH, WITH THIS OTHER MEETING AMIDST UNIVERSAL
    MEETING AMIDST UNIVERSAL CONDEMNATION OF THE HELSINKI
    CONDEMNATION OF THE HELSINKI SUMMIT WHICH EVEN TRUMP
    SUMMIT WHICH EVEN TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGED BY WALKING BACK
    ACKNOWLEDGED BY WALKING BACK THREE DIFFERENT MAJOR RUSSIA
    THREE DIFFERENT MAJOR RUSSIA POSITIONS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING
    POSITIONS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE TAMPING DOWN A
    THE WHITE HOUSE TAMPING DOWN A PROVOCATIVE ATTEMPT TO UNDERCUT
    PROVOCATIVE ATTEMPT TO UNDERCUT THE AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA,
    THE AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA, SUGGESTING HE COULD FACE A
    SUGGESTING HE COULD FACE A GRILLING FROM THE KREMLIN.
    GRILLING FROM THE KREMLIN. HERE'S THE WHOLE PROGRESSION.
    HERE'S THE WHOLE PROGRESSION. >> HE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT
    >> HE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.
    IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OFFER.
    IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OFFER. >> THE PRESIDENT'S GOING TO MEET
    >> THE PRESIDENT'S GOING TO MEET WITH HIS TEAM AND WE'LL LET YOU
    WITH HIS TEAM AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAVE AN
    KNOW WHEN WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT.
    ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT. >> DONALD TRUMP HAS NOW
    >> DONALD TRUMP HAS NOW DISAGREED WITH THAT PROPOSAL,
    DISAGREED WITH THAT PROPOSAL, THEY SAY IT WAS MADE IN
    THEY SAY IT WAS MADE IN SINCERITY.
    SINCERITY. BUT SOMETHING THEY DISAGREE
    BUT SOMETHING THEY DISAGREE WITH, AND THEY WILL NOT BE
    WITH, AND THEY WILL NOT BE PURSUING.
    PURSUING. >> SOMETHING THEY NOW DISAGREE
    >> SOMETHING THEY NOW DISAGREE WITH.
    WITH. DONALD TRUMP DID CHEER THAT
    DONALD TRUMP DID CHEER THAT OFFER, THOUGH, WHEN HE WAS AT
    OFFER, THOUGH, WHEN HE WAS AT PUTIN'S SIDE, THEN LEAVING IT TO
    PUTIN'S SIDE, THEN LEAVING IT TO AIDES TO DECLARE THIS
    AIDES TO DECLARE THIS DISAGREEMENT, JUST LIKE HIS
    DISAGREEMENT, JUST LIKE HIS SPOKESPERSON HAD TO SPIN THIS
    SPOKESPERSON HAD TO SPIN THIS ODD EXCHANGE ABOUT RUSSIA ALSO
    ODD EXCHANGE ABOUT RUSSIA ALSO THIS WEEK.
    THIS WEEK. >> IS RUSSIA STILL TARGETING THE
    >> IS RUSSIA STILL TARGETING THE U.S., MR. PRESIDENT?
    U.S., MR. PRESIDENT? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
    >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LET'S GO, MAKE YOUR WAY OUT.
    >> LET'S GO, MAKE YOUR WAY OUT. >> YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK
    >> YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE PRESIDENT AFTER THE
    WITH THE PRESIDENT AFTER THE COMMENTS, THE PRESIDENT WAS --
    COMMENTS, THE PRESIDENT WAS -- SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WAS
    SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WAS SAYING NO TO ANSWERING
    SAYING NO TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
    QUESTIONS. >> JUST NO TO ANSWERING
    >> JUST NO TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
    QUESTIONS. THOSE WALKBACKS PALE NEXT TO ONE
    THOSE WALKBACKS PALE NEXT TO ONE EMPOWERING SO MANY JOKES AND
    EMPOWERING SO MANY JOKES AND MEMES THIS WEEK.
    MEMES THIS WEEK. THE REFERENCE TO A DOUBLE
    THE REFERENCE TO A DOUBLE NEGATIVE TO SPIN HIS EMBRACE OF
    NEGATIVE TO SPIN HIS EMBRACE OF PUTIN'S DEFENSE AT THE SUMMIT.
    PUTIN'S DEFENSE AT THE SUMMIT. >> THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
    >> THE SENTENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT
    I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T BE RUSSIA, SORT OF A
    WOULDN'T BE RUSSIA, SORT OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE.
    DOUBLE NEGATIVE. SO YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND I
    SO YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY CLARIFIES
    THINK THAT PROBABLY CLARIFIES THINGS PRETTY GOOD BY ITSELF.
    THINGS PRETTY GOOD BY ITSELF. >> SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
    >> SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. DONALD TRUMP FORGED HIS ENTIRE
    DONALD TRUMP FORGED HIS ENTIRE PUBLIC BRAND ON FIRING ANYONE,
    PUBLIC BRAND ON FIRING ANYONE, FIGHTING ANYONE AND NEVER
    FIGHTING ANYONE AND NEVER APOLOGIZING OR BACKING DOWN.
    APOLOGIZING OR BACKING DOWN. HIS WHOLE AURA WAS REALITY STAR
    HIS WHOLE AURA WAS REALITY STAR MEETS TOM PETTY, WON'T BACK
    MEETS TOM PETTY, WON'T BACK DOWN, GONNA STAND MY GROUND, AND
    DOWN, GONNA STAND MY GROUND, AND I WON'T BACK DOWN.
    I WON'T BACK DOWN. THAT WAS THE NARRATIVE.
    THAT WAS THE NARRATIVE. THIS WEEK, OF COURSE, EXPOSES
    THIS WEEK, OF COURSE, EXPOSES THE GIANT EXCEPTION.
    THE GIANT EXCEPTION. WHEN IT COMES TO PUTIN AND
    WHEN IT COMES TO PUTIN AND RUSSIA POLICY, TRUMP WON'T
    RUSSIA POLICY, TRUMP WON'T FIGHT.
    FIGHT. HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S AFRAID PUTIN
    HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S AFRAID PUTIN WILL FIRE HIM.
    WILL FIRE HIM. HE SPENT FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS
    HE SPENT FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS BACKING DOWN AND EXPLAINING
    BACKING DOWN AND EXPLAINING HIMSELF.
    HIMSELF. AND THIS QUITE BLATANT DEPARTURE
    AND THIS QUITE BLATANT DEPARTURE FROM TRUMP'S NORMAL BRAND HAS
    FROM TRUMP'S NORMAL BRAND HAS MANY SERIOUS PEOPLE ASKING
    MANY SERIOUS PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS THIS WEEK.
    QUESTIONS THIS WEEK. "THE NEW YORK TIMES," FRONT
    "THE NEW YORK TIMES," FRONT PAGE, WITH AN ARTICLE
    PAGE, WITH AN ARTICLE QUESTIONING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
    QUESTIONING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TREASON MAY HIT THE OVAL OFFICE.
    TREASON MAY HIT THE OVAL OFFICE. IF RUSSIA IS THE ONE TOPIC THAT
    IF RUSSIA IS THE ONE TOPIC THAT TERMS TRUMP FROM A RELENTLESS
    TERMS TRUMP FROM A RELENTLESS TOM PETTY FIGHTER TO A KIND OF A
    TOM PETTY FIGHTER TO A KIND OF A BUMBLING, FLINCHING, FLAILING CA
    BUMBLING, FLINCHING, FLAILING CA PITLATOR, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
    PITLATOR, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK WHY.
    ASK WHY. LIKE TONIGHT, PEOPLE ARE ASKING
    LIKE TONIGHT, PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHY THIS WIDELY CONTENDED WEEK
    WHY THIS WIDELY CONTENDED WEEK OF DONALD TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY
    OF DONALD TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY TOWARDS RUSSIA IS BEING CAPPED
    TOWARDS RUSSIA IS BEING CAPPED AT THIS HOUR WITH THIS
    AT THIS HOUR WITH THIS DEVELOPING NEWS OF A DRAMATIC
    DEVELOPING NEWS OF A DRAMATIC RED CARPET INVITE FOR VLADIMIR
    RED CARPET INVITE FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
    PUTIN TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I AM JOINED NOW BY FORMER
    I AM JOINED NOW BY FORMER AMBASSADOR, MARK GINSBURG, WHO
    AMBASSADOR, MARK GINSBURG, WHO CALLED MONDAY'S MEETING A SHAME
    CALLED MONDAY'S MEETING A SHAME AND SURE REDDERRENDER SUMMIT.
    AND SURE REDDERRENDER SUMMIT. AND SAM SEEDER.
    AND SAM SEEDER. AMBASSADOR, I BEGIN WITH YOU,
    AMBASSADOR, I BEGIN WITH YOU, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
    WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? >> WELL, IT'S HAPPENING LARGELY
    >> WELL, IT'S HAPPENING LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE DURESS THAT TRUMP
    BECAUSE OF THE DURESS THAT TRUMP HAS RECEIVED FROM SOME
    HAS RECEIVED FROM SOME SUPPORTERS, PARTICULARLY NEWT
    SUPPORTERS, PARTICULARLY NEWT GINGRICH AND A COUPLE OTHERS ON
    GINGRICH AND A COUPLE OTHERS ON FOX NEWS.
    FOX NEWS. THAT GOT UNDER HIS SKIN.
    THAT GOT UNDER HIS SKIN. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE
    IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTANCE.
    SUBSTANCE. HE ACTUALLY IS CONVINCED THAT
    HE ACTUALLY IS CONVINCED THAT WHAT HE DID IN HELSINKI WAS NOT
    WHAT HE DID IN HELSINKI WAS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A CHAMBERLAIN
    THE EQUIVALENT OF A CHAMBERLAIN SURRENDER, OR AN APPEASEMENT,
    SURRENDER, OR AN APPEASEMENT, THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED
    THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING.
    SOMETHING. WHAT HE SAID SAYING TO THE
    WHAT HE SAID SAYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT MR.
    AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM, THAT
    PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM, THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS
    THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS OBSEQUIOUS KOWTOWING TO PUTIN --
    OBSEQUIOUS KOWTOWING TO PUTIN -- THAT PUTIN INFLICTED ON THE
    THAT PUTIN INFLICTED ON THE UNITED STATES AND THE
    UNITED STATES AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
    INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. IN MY HUMBLE BELIEF, THE EFFORTS
    IN MY HUMBLE BELIEF, THE EFFORTS TRUMP HAS DONE TO ENGAGE PUTIN
    TRUMP HAS DONE TO ENGAGE PUTIN SEPARATELY AND AWAY FROM ANY
    SEPARATELY AND AWAY FROM ANY PRYING EAR OF ANY AIDE, IT'S
    PRYING EAR OF ANY AIDE, IT'S BECAUSE MR. TRUMP IS FEARFUL
    BECAUSE MR. TRUMP IS FEARFUL THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON
    THAT MR. PUTIN HAS SOMETHING ON HIM.
    HIM. >> THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE
    >> THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S GETTING
    QUESTIONS THAT'S GETTING MAINLINED.
    MAINLINED. BECAUSE PUTIN HIMSELF WAS ASKED
    BECAUSE PUTIN HIMSELF WAS ASKED ABOUT IT, BOTH AT THE SUMMIT,
    ABOUT IT, BOTH AT THE SUMMIT, SENATOR, AS WELL AS IN THE FOX
    SENATOR, AS WELL AS IN THE FOX INTERVIEW HE DID, WHICH WE'LL
    INTERVIEW HE DID, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON LATER IN THE HOUR.
    TOUCH ON LATER IN THE HOUR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS, IT
    WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN IF YOU FORGET
    SEEMS LIKE EVEN IF YOU FORGET COLLUSION, AND THAT
    COLLUSION, AND THAT INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NOT DONE
    INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NOT DONE AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE
    AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE PRE-JUDGED, SOMETHING VERY
    PRE-JUDGED, SOMETHING VERY CONCERNING IS HAPPENING RIGHT
    CONCERNING IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN WHILE
    NOW BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN WHILE HE'S PRESIDENT.
    HE'S PRESIDENT. IN SOME WAYS IT'S MORE PROFOUND
    IN SOME WAYS IT'S MORE PROFOUND FOR NATIONAL SECURITY THAN
    FOR NATIONAL SECURITY THAN PERHAPS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE
    PERHAPS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED IN 2016.
    OCCURRED IN 2016. >> IT ACTUALLY, TO THE CASUAL
    >> IT ACTUALLY, TO THE CASUAL OBSERVER, WOULD APPEAR THAT
    OBSERVER, WOULD APPEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WORRIED THAT
    DONALD TRUMP IS WORRIED THAT SOMEHOW NOW HE'S OFFENDED PUTIN
    SOMEHOW NOW HE'S OFFENDED PUTIN BY HIS RECENT WALKBACKS AND IS
    BY HIS RECENT WALKBACKS AND IS NOW TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS.
    NOW TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS. >> YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS
    >> YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS OFFER IS ABOUT?
    OFFER IS ABOUT? >> CERTAINLY, TO A CASUAL
    >> CERTAINLY, TO A CASUAL OBSERVER, IT LOOKS THAT WAY.
    OBSERVER, IT LOOKS THAT WAY. RATHER THAN ANSWERING YOUR
    RATHER THAN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
    QUESTION. I WANT TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT
    I WANT TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WILLIAMS ASKED BOB KERRY.
    WILLIAMS ASKED BOB KERRY. >> DO YOU WANT TO WALK OVER
    >> DO YOU WANT TO WALK OVER THERE AND DO HIS SHOW, INSTEAD?
    THERE AND DO HIS SHOW, INSTEAD? I WANT TO DO A LOT OF THINGS,
    I WANT TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, SENATOR.
    SENATOR. I'M GOING TO TRY THAT -- RATHER
    I'M GOING TO TRY THAT -- RATHER THAN TAKING THIS ASSIGNMENT, I'M
    THAN TAKING THIS ASSIGNMENT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE BEACH.
    GOING TO GO TO THE BEACH. >> HE ASKED BOB LAST NIGHT
    >> HE ASKED BOB LAST NIGHT NOTING THE REAL HEROES OF
    NOTING THE REAL HEROES OF WATERGATE WERE REPUBLICANS.
    WATERGATE WERE REPUBLICANS. WHERE IS THE HOWARD BAKER OF
    WHERE IS THE HOWARD BAKER OF THIS CRISIS.
    THIS CRISIS. AND IT OCCURRED TO ME, HEARING
    AND IT OCCURRED TO ME, HEARING ABOUT THIS NEW SUMMIT TODAY,
    ABOUT THIS NEW SUMMIT TODAY, MITCH McCONNELL, ORRIN HATCH,
    MITCH McCONNELL, ORRIN HATCH, GRASSLEY, PEOPLE IN THE TWILIGHT
    GRASSLEY, PEOPLE IN THE TWILIGHT OF THEIR CAREERS, YOU'RE EITHER
    OF THEIR CAREERS, YOU'RE EITHER NEVER GOING TO BE FORGIVEN FOR
    NEVER GOING TO BE FORGIVEN FOR BEING SILENT THESE WEEKS OR IF
    BEING SILENT THESE WEEKS OR IF YOU SPEAK UP NOW, NEVER
    YOU SPEAK UP NOW, NEVER FORGOTTEN.
    FORGOTTEN. MITCH McCONNELL NEEDS TO GO TO
    MITCH McCONNELL NEEDS TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAY WHEN
    THE PRESIDENT AND SAY WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN COMES BACK TO
    VLADIMIR PUTIN COMES BACK TO THIS COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF
    THIS COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICAN SECURITY, OUR
    AMERICAN SECURITY, OUR CREDIBILITY WITH OUR ALLIES, THE
    CREDIBILITY WITH OUR ALLIES, THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR OFFICE, THE
    CREDIBILITY OF YOUR OFFICE, THE FUNCTIONING OF THIS GOVERNMENT,
    FUNCTIONING OF THIS GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE NOT TO MEET WITH HIM
    YOU ARE NOT TO MEET WITH HIM ALONE.
    ALONE. AND IF YOU DO YOU CANNOT COUNT
    AND IF YOU DO YOU CANNOT COUNT ON ME WHEN THE REPORT COMES OUT
    ON ME WHEN THE REPORT COMES OUT FROM MUELLER, MAKE IT CLEAR AND
    FROM MUELLER, MAKE IT CLEAR AND PUT IT ON THE LINE.
    PUT IT ON THE LINE. OTHERWISE, WHAT ALLY IS EVER
    OTHERWISE, WHAT ALLY IS EVER GOING TO SHARE WITH INTELLIGENCE
    GOING TO SHARE WITH INTELLIGENCE WITH US ABOUT RUSSIA AGAIN?
    WITH US ABOUT RUSSIA AGAIN? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESTORE
    AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESTORE CREDIBILITY TO THIS
    CREDIBILITY TO THIS ADMINISTRATION?
    ADMINISTRATION? >> YEAH.
    >> YEAH. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
    I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A
    I WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE.
    MINUTE. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ASKING
    YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ASKING DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
    DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR AND WHY --
    PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR AND WHY -- >> YOU MEAN THE KIND OF
    >> YOU MEAN THE KIND OF QUESTIONS BRIAN WILLIAMS ASKED.
    QUESTIONS BRIAN WILLIAMS ASKED. I KNOW THE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
    I KNOW THE KIND OF QUESTIONS. >> WHAT ON EARTH?
    >> WHAT ON EARTH? >> THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE WORTH
    >> THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING.
    ANSWERING. >> THE ONES WE'VE RAISED ON THIS
    >> THE ONES WE'VE RAISED ON THIS SHOW THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING.
    SHOW THAT ARE WORTH ANSWERING. BUT IT REALLY -- WE SHOULD ALL
    BUT IT REALLY -- WE SHOULD ALL JUST BE ALARMED, PERSONALLY
    JUST BE ALARMED, PERSONALLY OFFENDED, BUT OUR COUNTRY IS IN
    OFFENDED, BUT OUR COUNTRY IS IN JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW.
    JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT JUST A POLITICAL
    THIS IS NOT JUST A POLITICAL ISSUE.
    ISSUE. WE OFTEN GET ON TV AND
    WE OFTEN GET ON TV AND POLITICIZE THINGS, RIGHT?
    POLITICIZE THINGS, RIGHT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS
    >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR OUR NATIONAL
    AT STAKE FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY?
    SECURITY? >> WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR NATIONAL
    >> WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS
    SECURITY IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL SHOULD CARE
    ON CAPITOL HILL SHOULD CARE ABOUT.
    ABOUT. THE FACT WE HAVE THIS MAN WHO'S
    THE FACT WE HAVE THIS MAN WHO'S BEHAVING ERRATICALLY, DOESN'T
    BEHAVING ERRATICALLY, DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY KIND OF MEMORY,
    SEEM TO HAVE ANY KIND OF MEMORY, A LACK OF EMPATHY, THERE'S
    A LACK OF EMPATHY, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY
    SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PATHOLOGICAL ABOUT THE WAY HE IS
    PATHOLOGICAL ABOUT THE WAY HE IS OPERATING THAT THERE'S A REASON
    OPERATING THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF
    WHY WE HAVE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
    GOVERNMENT. IF THERE IS ANY MOMENT IN TIME
    IF THERE IS ANY MOMENT IN TIME THAT CONGRESS SHOULD STEP UP AND
    THAT CONGRESS SHOULD STEP UP AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE SOMETHING
    SAY WAIT A MINUTE SOMETHING ABOUT JUDGMENT ISN'T RIGHT, WE
    ABOUT JUDGMENT ISN'T RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO EXERCISE BETTER
    ACTUALLY NEED TO EXERCISE BETTER JUDGMENT HERE, THEY SHOULD, BUT
    JUDGMENT HERE, THEY SHOULD, BUT WE SAW TODAY THAT THE
    WE SAW TODAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS IN
    REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS IN CONGRESS BECAUSE THEY'VE REFUSED
    CONGRESS BECAUSE THEY'VE REFUSED TO EVEN JUST -- TO VOTE AND SAY
    TO EVEN JUST -- TO VOTE AND SAY THAT WE SUPPORT OUR INTELLIGENCE
    THAT WE SUPPORT OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND WE AGREE AND WE
    COMMUNITY AND WE AGREE AND WE KNOW IT TO BE TRUE, THAT THE
    KNOW IT TO BE TRUE, THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE MEDDLED.
    RUSSIANS HAVE MEDDLED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO
    I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD
    GET TO WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE.
    BE. >> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW,
    >> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN -- EVEN IF YOU BACK UP JUST
    EVEN -- EVEN IF YOU BACK UP JUST TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY
    TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS
    THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEMOCRATIC
    IS PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEMOCRATIC STANDPOINT.
    STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL DEED,
    YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL DEED, DEMOCRATIC, THE IDEA THAT THESE
    DEMOCRATIC, THE IDEA THAT THESE TWO MEN ARE MEETING WITHOUT ANY
    TWO MEN ARE MEETING WITHOUT ANY RECORD WHATSOEVER AND WITHOUT
    RECORD WHATSOEVER AND WITHOUT ANY NOTION OF WHAT THE AGENDA IS
    ANY NOTION OF WHAT THE AGENDA IS IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG
    IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THESE
    BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THESE SECOND ASK THIRD ORDER QUESTIONS
    SECOND ASK THIRD ORDER QUESTIONS WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE
    WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE INCREASINGLY BECOMING FIRST
    INCREASINGLY BECOMING FIRST ORDER QUESTIONS.
    ORDER QUESTIONS. >> WHICH IS A QUESTION THAT
    >> WHICH IS A QUESTION THAT CONSERVATIVES OFTEN LIKE TO POSE
    CONSERVATIVES OFTEN LIKE TO POSE IN THE LEGAL PROCESS.
    IN THE LEGAL PROCESS. IF YOU'RE NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE
    IF YOU'RE NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE YOU HIDING?
    YOU HIDING? >> YES, AND ALSO YOU'RE THE
    >> YES, AND ALSO YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF A -- YOU'RE
    PRESIDENT OF A -- YOU'RE DEMOCRATLY ELECTED PRESIDENT
    DEMOCRATLY ELECTED PRESIDENT WHEN YOU GO IN AND MEET WITH
    WHEN YOU GO IN AND MEET WITH THIS WORLD LEADER, WE HAVE A
    THIS WORLD LEADER, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS
    RIGHT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED, AT LEAST IN
    BEING DISCUSSED, AT LEAST IN BROAD STROKES.
    BROAD STROKES. >> I WOULD PUSH YOU ON THAT, THE
    >> I WOULD PUSH YOU ON THAT, THE NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS HAS
    NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS HAS A RIGHT.
    A RIGHT. THE ENTIRE PUBLIC DOES NOT.
    THE ENTIRE PUBLIC DOES NOT. BUT THE NOTION, TO YOUR POINT,
    BUT THE NOTION, TO YOUR POINT, THE NOTION THAT THE NATIONAL
    THE NOTION THAT THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE DIRECTOR SITTING
    INTELLIGENCE DIRECTOR SITTING DOWN WITH OUR OWN ANDREA
    DOWN WITH OUR OWN ANDREA MITCHELL TONIGHT IS SAYING IN
    MITCHELL TONIGHT IS SAYING IN PUBLIC, PERHAPS AS A SIGNAL TO
    PUBLIC, PERHAPS AS A SIGNAL TO PEOPLE THAT SOMETHING'S OFF, I
    PEOPLE THAT SOMETHING'S OFF, I AM BEING KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP ON
    AM BEING KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP ON THIS AND I KNOW MORE THAN THE
    THIS AND I KNOW MORE THAN THE PRESIDENT, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO
    PRESIDENT, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE GUARDING OUR NATION'S SECRETS
    BE GUARDING OUR NATION'S SECRETS IN A NONPARTISAN WAY.
    IN A NONPARTISAN WAY. WHY IS HE BEING KEPT OUT?
    WHY IS HE BEING KEPT OUT? >> THAT'S THE QUESTION.
    >> THAT'S THE QUESTION. THE FACT THAT HE'S GOING PUBLIC
    THE FACT THAT HE'S GOING PUBLIC WITH THIS IS PRETTY STUNNING.
    WITH THIS IS PRETTY STUNNING. THERE'S A LOT OF RED FLAGS BEING
    THERE'S A LOT OF RED FLAGS BEING WAVED AROUND IN A LOT OF
    WAVED AROUND IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUARTERS RIGHT NOW
    DIFFERENT QUARTERS RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
    THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS SORT OF LIKE SOFT ATTEMPT,
    THIS SORT OF LIKE SOFT ATTEMPT, MAYBE IT'S GETTING HARDER.
    MAYBE IT'S GETTING HARDER. >> YEAH, BUT IT'S SOFT, IT'S
    >> YEAH, BUT IT'S SOFT, IT'S SOFT.
    SOFT. >> IT'S WAY TOO SOFT.
    >> IT'S WAY TOO SOFT. >> WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THIS
    >> WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THIS HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE ARE GOING
    HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR
    TO SAY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR GENERAL MATTIS, AND POMPEO.
    GENERAL MATTIS, AND POMPEO. HISTORY WILL ASK, WHERE WERE
    HISTORY WILL ASK, WHERE WERE YOU?
    YOU? IF THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED
    IF THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES IS AT ISSUE, WHERE WERE
    STATES IS AT ISSUE, WHERE WERE YOU?
    YOU? AND TO ALL OF YOU, AND I GO BACK
    AND TO ALL OF YOU, AND I GO BACK TO MITCH McCONNELL, ABOUT
    TO MITCH McCONNELL, ABOUT MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT,
    MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT, ABOUT INSISTING THERE BE SOMEONE
    ABOUT INSISTING THERE BE SOMEONE ELSE IN THE ROOM.
    ELSE IN THE ROOM. GO TO THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET,
    GO TO THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET, ARE THESE JOBS SO VALUABLE, IS
    ARE THESE JOBS SO VALUABLE, IS BEING IN THE CABINET SO
    BEING IN THE CABINET SO IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD
    IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTRY TO BE
    ALLOW THE COUNTRY TO BE COMPROMISED AND YOUR OWN
    COMPROMISED AND YOUR OWN REPUTATION TO BE SULLIED,
    REPUTATION TO BE SULLIED, PERHAPS NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE
    PERHAPS NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE EYES OF HISTORY?
    EYES OF HISTORY? IS THERE NOT A HOWARD BAKER IN
    IS THERE NOT A HOWARD BAKER IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES
    THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT?
    GOVERNMENT? >> LET ME TAKE THAT TO --
    >> LET ME TAKE THAT TO -- >> IS THERE NOT A PATRIOT IN THE
    >> IS THERE NOT A PATRIOT IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT?
    ENTIRE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT? THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT?
    THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? SO THE ENTIRE CABINET IS
    SO THE ENTIRE CABINET IS COMPLETELY NEUTERED RIGHT NOW.
    COMPLETELY NEUTERED RIGHT NOW. >> WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO
    >> WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
    THIS QUESTION. MITCH McCONNELL WOULDN'T EVEN
    MITCH McCONNELL WOULDN'T EVEN LET -- WAS GOING TO -- WAS GOING
    LET -- WAS GOING TO -- WAS GOING TO PUNISH POLITICALLY ANYONE WHO
    TO PUNISH POLITICALLY ANYONE WHO MENTIONED THIS PRIOR TO THE
    MENTIONED THIS PRIOR TO THE RUNUP OF THE ELECTION.
    RUNUP OF THE ELECTION. MITCH McCONNELL HAS MADE HIS
    MITCH McCONNELL HAS MADE HIS BED.
    BED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO
    I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS MOMENT WHERE MITCH
    BE THIS MOMENT WHERE MITCH McCONNELL ALL THE SUDDEN BECOMES
    McCONNELL ALL THE SUDDEN BECOMES A DIFFERENT PERSON.
    A DIFFERENT PERSON. >> THAT GOES TO WHETHER PEOPLE
    >> THAT GOES TO WHETHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY STANDING BY BUT
    ARE NOT ONLY STANDING BY BUT POTENTIALLY, ALLEGEDLY BECOMING
    POTENTIALLY, ALLEGEDLY BECOMING THE KIND OF INTERFERENCE THAT
    THE KIND OF INTERFERENCE THAT SUBVERSES DEMOCRACY, THE TYPE AS
    SUBVERSES DEMOCRACY, THE TYPE AS CHARGED IN THE MUELLER
    CHARGED IN THE MUELLER INDICTMENT, AN INTERNATIONAL
    INDICTMENT, AN INTERNATIONAL ELECTION-RELATED CONSPIRACY.
    ELECTION-RELATED CONSPIRACY. AMBASSADOR, AS SOMEONE WHO
    AMBASSADOR, AS SOMEONE WHO SERVED, I'LL PLAY FOR YOU SOME
    SERVED, I'LL PLAY FOR YOU SOME OF THE REACTION TO SOMETHING
    OF THE REACTION TO SOMETHING THAT WAS THE BIG STORY EARLIER
    THAT WAS THE BIG STORY EARLIER TODAY, BEFORE, AGAIN AS WE'RE
    TODAY, BEFORE, AGAIN AS WE'RE REPORTING TONIGHT, BEFORE DONALD
    REPORTING TONIGHT, BEFORE DONALD TRUMP JUST MADE A NEW OFFER TO
    TRUMP JUST MADE A NEW OFFER TO VLADIMIR PUTIN TO COME TO THE
    VLADIMIR PUTIN TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
    WHITE HOUSE. BEFORE THAT THERE WAS THE WHITE
    BEFORE THAT THERE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE BASICALLY LEAVING UP IN
    HOUSE BASICALLY LEAVING UP IN THE AIR THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD
    THE AIR THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD LET THE KREMLIN DEPOSE PEOPLE
    LET THE KREMLIN DEPOSE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO'VE BEEN
    LIKE YOURSELF WHO'VE BEEN AMBASSADORS BEFORE TO RUSSIA,
    AMBASSADORS BEFORE TO RUSSIA, TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THE
    TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THE RESPONSE TO THAT INSANITY.
    RESPONSE TO THAT INSANITY. >> THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TO
    >> THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS SHOWS TO ME
    EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS SHOWS TO ME HOW NAIVE THEY ARE.
    HOW NAIVE THEY ARE. >> THE PRESIDENT WOULD WORK WITH
    >> THE PRESIDENT WOULD WORK WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN TO PUT IN DANGER
    VLADIMIR PUTIN TO PUT IN DANGER OUR AMBASSADOR STRIKES ME AS
    OUR AMBASSADOR STRIKES ME AS ALMOST PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT
    ALMOST PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY.
    TO THE ENEMY. >> IT WAS INCREDIBLE, ALL RIGHT,
    >> IT WAS INCREDIBLE, ALL RIGHT, WHAT A STUPID IDEA BY PUTIN,
    WHAT A STUPID IDEA BY PUTIN, CONTINUALLY WALKING BACK, IT'S A
    CONTINUALLY WALKING BACK, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
    BIG PROBLEM. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CART WHEELS
    I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CART WHEELS THEY'RE DOING OVER IN RUSSIA.
    THEY'RE DOING OVER IN RUSSIA. >> AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, YOU HAVE
    >> AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, YOU HAVE HELD THIS TYPE OF POST.
    HELD THIS TYPE OF POST. WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW OF THAT,
    WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW OF THAT, WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE IS WALKING
    WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE IS WALKING AWAY FROM, AND HAVE YOU EVER
    AWAY FROM, AND HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
    HEARD OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TRYING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DEAL
    TRYING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DEAL WITH RUSSIA?
    WITH RUSSIA? >> NEVER, NEVER HAVE I EVER, IN
    >> NEVER, NEVER HAVE I EVER, IN ALL MY YEARS, GOING BACK TO THE
    ALL MY YEARS, GOING BACK TO THE DAYS THAT I WORKED FOR SENATOR
    DAYS THAT I WORKED FOR SENATOR KENNEDY ON THE HILL, NEVER HAVE
    KENNEDY ON THE HILL, NEVER HAVE I SEEN ANY OBSEQUIOUSNESS, THE
    I SEEN ANY OBSEQUIOUSNESS, THE IDEA THAT TRUMP COULD CALL THIS
    IDEA THAT TRUMP COULD CALL THIS AN INCREDIBLE OFFER AND PUT IN
    AN INCREDIBLE OFFER AND PUT IN JEOPARDY, FIRST OF ALL, MY GOOD
    JEOPARDY, FIRST OF ALL, MY GOOD FRIEND MICHAEL McFAUL, FORMER
    FRIEND MICHAEL McFAUL, FORMER AMBASSADOR OF RUSSIA, DURING HIS
    AMBASSADOR OF RUSSIA, DURING HIS TOUR OF DUTY IN RUSSIA WAS
    TOUR OF DUTY IN RUSSIA WAS SUBJECTED TO THE WORST TYPE OF
    SUBJECTED TO THE WORST TYPE OF HARASSMENT BY PUTIN AND HIS
    HARASSMENT BY PUTIN AND HIS THUGS, HIS FAMILY, HIMSELF
    THUGS, HIS FAMILY, HIMSELF UNDERMINING THE INTEGRITY,
    UNDERMINING THE INTEGRITY, ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTED THE
    ANYTHING THAT REPRESENTED THE PROTECTION OF THE VIENNA
    PROTECTION OF THE VIENNA CONVENTION FOR DIPLOMATS.
    CONVENTION FOR DIPLOMATS. PUTIN WILL STOP AT NOTHING.
    PUTIN WILL STOP AT NOTHING. BY THE WAY, MAY I ADD, THE FACT
    BY THE WAY, MAY I ADD, THE FACT THAT PUTIN OFFERED TO LET
    THAT PUTIN OFFERED TO LET MUELLER COME OVER AND QUESTION
    MUELLER COME OVER AND QUESTION HIS AGENTS, HIS MILITARY AGENTS
    HIS AGENTS, HIS MILITARY AGENTS ONLY SHOWS YOU THAT PUTIN KNEW
    ONLY SHOWS YOU THAT PUTIN KNEW AND IN EFFECT RECOGNIZES THAT
    AND IN EFFECT RECOGNIZES THAT THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR
    THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM.
    HIM. SO MAYBE IN THE END WE GOT THAT
    SO MAYBE IN THE END WE GOT THAT LITTLE PIECE OUT OF IT.
    LITTLE PIECE OUT OF IT. BUT LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR,
    BUT LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, ARI, THE FACT THAT THIS WHITE
    ARI, THE FACT THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE REQUIRED PEOPLE LIKE MIKE
    HOUSE REQUIRED PEOPLE LIKE MIKE McFAUL AND MR. BROWDER TO HAVE
    McFAUL AND MR. BROWDER TO HAVE TO WORRY WHETHER OR NOT THEY
    TO WORRY WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE SERVED UP ON A SILVER
    WOULD BE SERVED UP ON A SILVER PLATTER TO MR. PUTIN BY THE
    PLATTER TO MR. PUTIN BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS DESPICABLE.
    IS DESPICABLE. >> I THINK IT'S WELL PUT.
    >> I THINK IT'S WELL PUT. AND IT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
    AND IT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE MAY BE
    THAT THE WHITE HOUSE MAY BE TRYING TO RUN FROM TONIGHT WITH
    TRYING TO RUN FROM TONIGHT WITH THE OTHER MOVES IT'S MAKING
    THE OTHER MOVES IT'S MAKING WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY NEWSWORTHY,
    WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY NEWSWORTHY, THE INVITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE
    THE INVITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR PUTIN, AND YET WAS A
    FOR PUTIN, AND YET WAS A REMARKABLE PIECE OF STATE CRAFT
    REMARKABLE PIECE OF STATE CRAFT OVER THESE LAST FEW DAYS THAT IT
    OVER THESE LAST FEW DAYS THAT IT WAS EVEN, AS YOU SAY, PUT OUT
    WAS EVEN, AS YOU SAY, PUT OUT THERE.
    THERE. AMBASSADOR GINSBURG, MY THANKS
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