Trump Campaign Adviser Carter Page's Testimony Uncovers A 'Very Odd' Picture | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Trump Campaign Adviser Carter Page's Testimony Uncovers A 'Very Odd' Picture | Morning Joe | MSNBC
    STORY OF MAJOR DIPLOMACY WITH NORTH KOREA.
    NOW TO THIS, WE FOLLOW ALONG. WILL YOU NEED SOME, A MEMBER OF
    PRESIDENT TRUMP ANOTHER FOREIGN POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAID
    HE TOLD SEVERAL TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF
    THE INNER CIRCLE, HE WAS HEADING TO MOSCOW IN JULY OF 2016,
    CARTER PAGE TESTIFIED BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
    LAST WEEK, IN AN EXCHANGE WITH TREY GOWDY, TREY SAID HE
    E-MAILED FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER CORY LEWANDOWSKI,
    CURRENT WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR HOPE
    HICKS AND J.D. GONE, SAID HE WAS ON HIS WAY THERE PAGE ALSO SAID
    HE TOLD ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS.
    >> AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER RUSSIAN CONTACT THAT JEFF SESSIONS
    ALLEGEDLY KNEW ABOUT. >> AND CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIR SAM
    CLOVIS BEFORE HE LEFT. >> BY THE WAY, GORDON TOLD HIM,
    DON'T DO IT AND HE WENT AROUND TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET TO
    RUSSIA. >> PAYMENT SAID HE TOLD HIM HE
    COULD GO. HE TOLD YOU IN MARCH HE DID NOT
    SAY PAGE SHOULD TRAVEL TO RUSSIA ON HIS OWN.
    THOUGH HE ALSO SAID HE COULDN'T REMEMBER BUT QUOTE I'M VERY
    CLEAR ABOUT THIS, I GRANTED NOBODY PERMISSION TO DO.
    THAT PAGE HAD NOT PROVIDED THE E-MAILS TO THE HOUSE SPELL JENS
    COMMITTEE WHEN HE TESTIFIED ON THURSDAY BUT SAID THAT HE WOULD.
    THE TESTIMONIALS CONTRADICTED PAGE'S EARLIER COMMENT THAT HE
    ONLY EXCHANGED GREETINGS WITH RUSSIA'S DEPUTY PRIME MINISTE
    DVORKORICH IN A RAFT RAJ OF PROBLEMS, IF YOU REMEMBER,
    SHORTLY AFTER RETURNING, HE CONGRATULATED MEMBERS-OF-A
    POLICY TEAM FOR THEIR QUOTE EXCELLENT WORK ON THE UKRAINE
    AMENDMENT. A REFERENCE TO THE TRUMP
    CAMPAIGN DECISION TO INTERVENE, WATER DOWN A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
    THE GOP'S UKRAINE PLATFORM. PAGE TOLD THE COMMITTEE, HE WAS

    >> LET'S STOP RIGHT THERE. DAVID IGNACIOUS, DESPITE THE
    FACT THAT CARTER PAGE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MANY TIMES
    PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT HIS TESTIMONY, HIS PERFORMS ART,
    THERE ARE LINES OUT OF THAT TESTIMONY THAT ARE SO DAMMING
    THAT ACTUALLY START TO STITCH TOGETHER WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND
    WHEN HE GUESS OVER THERE AND ACTUALLY HAS OFFICIAL MEETINGS
    WITH THE RUSSIANS THAT I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KNEW ABOUT
    AND OUGHTS KNEW ABOUT, AND THEN THEY GO TO THAT UKRAINE
    AMENDMENT, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SUGGEST PERHAPS A QUID PRO
    QUO. YOU GIVE US DIRT ON HILLARY,
    WE'LL REMOVE THE UKRAINE AMENDMENT FROM THE GOP PLATFORM.
    >> IT WAS BIZARRE TESTIMONY. IT SOUNDED AS IF HE WAS MAKING
    IT UP AS HE WENT ALONG, ONE MINUTE HE WAS INVOKING THE
    FIFTH. ANOTHER MINUTE HE WASN'T.
    DOCUMENTS KEPT EMERGING, OH, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THOSE E-MAILS
    AND WHEN YOU ADD THIS UP, YOU SEE NOW, THREE STRAT INSTANCES
    IN WHICH TRUMP CAMPAIGN ASSOCIATES PAPADOPOULOS IN HIS
    PLEA AGREEMENT PAGE NOW IN HIS DESCRIPTIONS OF MEETING WITH THE
    PROFESSOR, THE JULY FAMOUS JULY 9 METING WITH DON TRUMP JR. WITH
    THE RUSSIAN LAWYER N. EACH OF THOSE THREE INSTANCES THE ISSUE
    IS WHAT ARE THE RUSSIANS GOING TO DO TO HELP THE TRUMP
    CAMPAIGN? THE EVERYDAY NOW IS COMING FROM
    THEM. AND YOU GEN TO SEE SOMETHING
    HARD. THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT
    INVESTIGATION WITH SO MANY THING IN THE AIR.
    THOSE ARE THE HARD PIECES, THEY SHOW THE RUSSIANS WORKING TO
    SUPPLY INFORMATION TO THE TRUMP COMPANY THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
    >> AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ACTIVELY SEEKING CONTACT ITSELF
    WITH AND HELP FROM THE CELL LEN. >> YOU SEE WHEN JEFF SESSIONS
    TESTIFIED THREE TIMES HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY RUSSIAN CONTACTS.
    HE CLEARLY WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS MEETING BY CARTER PAGE AND
    OTHERS WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT SINCE, DID HE THINK IT WASN'T
    GOING TO COME OUT, SOMEHOW PEOPLE WEREN'T GETTING TO THE
    BOTTOM OF IT T. JOURNALISTS INSIDE THOSE COMMITTEES LOOKING
    INTO IT. HOW CAN HE SIT UP THERE SAYING
    KNOWING WHAT HE KNEW, HE DIDN'T KNOW OF ANY RUSSIAN CONTACTS IN
    THE CAMPAIGN, EVEN IF THEY WERE INNOCUOUS, WHY WOULD YOU SAY YOU
    DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING, YOU CLEARLY KNEW.
    >> WHAT HAPPENED DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE PENCE AND JEFF SESSION
    SAYING THAT NOBODY ON THEIR CAMPAIGN TALKED TO RUGS.
    MIKE PENCE SAID WE JUST TALK TO AMERICANS.
    NO, THEY TALKED TO RUSSIANS. THEY TALKED TO RUSSIANS A LOT
    THEN THEY'VE SPENT THE LAST NINE MONTHS LYING NO TALKING WITH
    RUSSIANS. >> YOU SORTED THROUGH SEVEN
    HOURS OF CARTER PAGE SPILLING IT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE INTEL IN
    THE. INTERESTING NOTE TO PRESIDENT
    TRUMP, THE IDEA FROM CARTER PAGE'S POINT OF VIEW, FOR
    PRESIDENT TRUMP TO GO TO RUSSIA AND MAKE A GRAND SPEECH HE SAID
    WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA GOING TO GERMANY IN 2008
    THAT WOULD HAVE LAUNCHED HIS CAMPAIGN AND PRESIDENCY ON THE
    WORLD. WHAT ELSE JUMPED OUT AT YOU AS
    YOU LOOKED AT THIS TESTIMONY? >> Reporter: WILLIE, I THINK
    WHAT YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO EARLIER IS KIND OF THE KEY OVER
    ARCHING QUESTION HERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE LEARNING NEW
    INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TOP TRUMP OFFICIALS NOW ABOUT RUSSIAN
    CONTACTS BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING FOR THEM INSIDE THE
    ORGANIZATION AND RUSSIANS. THE QUESTION I THINK IS WHETHER
    THERE WAS INTENTIONALLY OR ACTUAL DISCUSSION OR WHETHER
    THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE KIND OF ACCIDENTALLY
    RUNNING AROUND WITH PEOPLE WHO HAD DEEP RUSSIAN TIES.
    WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE TRANSCRIPT IS, CARTER PAGE, THIS
    WASN'T A ONE OFF, OH, HEY, I TOOK A TRIP TO MOSCOW.
    HE HAD LONGSTANDING DEEP BUSINESS TIES WITH PEOPLE IN
    RUSSIA. IF YOU DIG DOWN INTO THE DETAILS
    OF THIS TRANSCRIPT. A VERY ODD PICTURE OF THIS MAN
    EMERGES. AND HE IS SOMEBODY WHO WENT FROM
    AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS, MY SOURCE WERE
    DESCRIBING HIM AS ESSENTIALLY FALLING ALL OVER HIMSELF TO TELL
    THEM EVERYTHING THEY KNEW. IT WAS ALMOST AS THOUGH THEY
    FELT THEY WERE RECEIVING HIS RESUME IN THE MAIL.
    THEN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS STEELE DOSSIER, INCLUDING THAT
    HE MET WITH A TOP BUSINESSMAN DURING THIS TRIP, HAD A SECRET
    MEETING. >> THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN
    CORROBORATED IN THIS TRANSCRIPT. NOW THE COMMITTEE WAS PRESSING
    HIM ON WHERE ARE YOU LIVING AT NIGHT?
    HE INSISTED I'M NOT LIVING AT A RUSSIAN'S HOUSE.
    THEY REDACTED THAT INFORMATION. HOW ARE YOU MAKING YOUR MONEY?
    I'M LIVING ON MY SAVINGS. >> WHERE DID THAT MONEY COME
    FROM? DID IT COME FROM RUSSIA?
    THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED REQUEST ES IN THIS TRANSCRIPT.
    IT GAVE US A WINDOW INTO WHAT THIS COMMITTEE IS LOOKING INTO,
    THE QUESTIONS THEY ARE ASKING I THINK WILL YIELD A LOT MORE
    REPORTING IN THE PRESS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
    >> IF YOU LOOK AT TESTIMONY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
    IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE TESTIMONY SO FAR THAT THE INFORMATION BOB
    MUELLER IS GETTING, WE ARE GETTING, IT'S DRIBBLING OUT.
    MUELLER KNOWS SO MUCH MORE THERE ARE ALL THESE CONTACTS THAT
    FIRST THEY DENIED AND THEN THEY SAID WERE INCIDENTAL CONTACTS.
    NOW IT'S VERY CLEAR. THERE IS A PATTERN AND IT IS AN
    EXPANSIVE PAT WERE AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THESE KEY MEMBERS
    HAVE LIED ABOUT THEIR CONTACTS, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT OF THE
    UNITED STATES, WHO DRAFTED UP A STATEMENT ON AIR FORCE ONE,
    WHILE HIS LAWYERS WERE STRANDED ON THE GROUND THAT WAS A GRAND
    LIE THAT MAY HAVE INVOLVED ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETINGS.
    >> WHAT WE ARE SEEING I THINK IS THE WAY IN WHICH RUSSIAN TRADE
    CRAFT WORKS. SOMEBODY IS INITIALLY CONTACTED
    BY A PROFESSOR. YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THEY WOULD GET
    TO KNOW IN THEIR NORMAL POINT OF BUSINESS.
    THAT'S WHAT CARTER PAGE SAYS, THEN THAT PROFESSOR IS ABLE
    INTRODUCE THEM TO A SENIOR FIMPBLT PAGE SAID I WASN'T
    MEETING ANYBODY THAN ON THE STREET.
    IT TURNED OUT HE WAS MEETING THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND
    PASSING BACK TO THE CAMPAIGN THE WORDS FROM THIS SENIOR OFFICIAL
    HOW RUSSIA WANTED TO WORK WITH THE NEW TEAM.
    SO YOU SEE HOW THEY WERE BUILDING THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH
    A LOT OF ANTICIPATION THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT WITH TRUMP.
    WE NOW SEE LONG AFTER HOW A PROSECUTOR BUILDS HIS CASE, HOW
    HE STARTS WITH THESE LITTLE PEOPLE.
    WHO HAD EVER HEARD OF JP MORGAN PAPADOPOULOS BEFORE AND CARTER
    PAGE. >> WHAT WAS HE DOING THERE?
    >> YOU BUILD THESE STRUCTURES OF INFLUENCE BRICK BY BRICK, BOARD
    BY BOARD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WATCHING THE PROSECUTORS EXPLAIN
    TO US, EVENTUALLY IT LEADS UP TO THE SENIOR PEOPLE.
    WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WHICH IS WHY THIS IS SUCH A FOOD
    INVESTIGATION. >> WOW.
    >> YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT POINTS IN TIME IF YOU WANT TO
    UNDERSTAND HOW FAR WE'VE GONE, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD WE'VE
    MOVED, MIKA, IF YOU GO BACK, FOR INSTANCE, TO THE WASHINGTON POST
    EDITORIAL MEETING DONALD TRUMP HAD WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT THE SIZE
    OF HIS HANDS OR A GREAT DEAL OF THE TIME.
    WHEN THE WASHINGTON POST FINALLY GOT HIM TO TALK ABOUT FOREIGN
    POLICY, THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE HE NAMED WERE CARTER PAGE AND
    PAPADOPOULOS. SO GO BACK.
    BY THE WAY, THAT WASN'T IN JUNE OF 2015.
    THAT WAS AFTER THE GUY WAS ON HIS WAY TO WINNING, I THINK IT
    WAS MAY OR JUNE. >> IT WAS ONLY THEN GETTING THIS
    LIST TOGETHER, PEOPLE NOBODY HAD EVER HEARD OF FROM THOSE WERE
    HIS FIRST TO PEOPLE AND THEY ALREADY HAD CONTACTS WITH
    RUSSIA. >> WE WILL GO BACK IN TIME AND
    LOOK AT THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT FORMER PRESIDENTS HAVE NAMED AT
    THE TOP OF THEIR FOREIGN POLICY PEOPLE.
    THOSE PEOPLE WOMEN ARE THEY? >> THOSE TWO NAMES WERE GIVEN TO
    THE WASHINGTON POST. THEY HAD ALREADY MET WITH MUGS
    AGENTS. >> THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
    STILL AHEAD ON "MORING JOE." >> HE WOULD NAME ANOTHER AGENT
    PAUL MANAFORT IN THE SUMMER OF 2016.
    >> INCREDIBLE. THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW.
    >> HE WAS FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH MICHAEL FLYNN.
    >> PSYCHOLOGICALLY FOLEY CALM. YOU SAW A MEMBER OF THE SENATE
    INTELLIGENCE, SENATOR OPENING CUSS KING AND JIM HIMES ON THE
    HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE WHICH QUESTIONED CARTER PAGE AND DAVID
    IGNACIOUS IS GOING TO TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON IN SAUDI
    ARABIA. WE WIL
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