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New Details On Robert Mueller's Investigation Of Michael Flynn | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
    AND GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN FROM THE NBC NEWS HEADQUARTERS HERE
    IN NEW YORK. DAY 295 OF THE TRUMP
    ADMINISTRATION, AND TONIGHT IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT THE ATTENTION
    OF ROBERT MUELLER IS, FOR THE TIME BEING AT LEAST, BEARING
    DOWN ON MIKE FLYNN, THE RETIRED U.S. ARMY GENERAL WHO WAS ONE OF
    THE STALWARTS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN EFFORT AND WHO SERVED
    AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR 24 DAYS IN THE WEST WING.
    NBC NEWS REPORTS TODAY MUELLER IS INVESTIGATING A POSSIBLE DEAL
    BETWEEN SENIOR TURKISH OFFICIALS AND FLYNN DURING THE
    PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION. THIS REPORT SAYS IN PART, QUOTE,
    FOUR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE INVESTIGATION SAID MUELLER IS
    LOOKING INTO WHETHER FLYNN DISCUSSED ORCHESTRATING THE
    RETURN TO TURKEY OF A CHIEF RIVAL OF TURKISH PRESIDENT
    ERDOGAN WHO LIVES IN THE U.S. FLYNN WAS OFFERED UPWARDS OF $15
    MILLION TO BE PAID DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY IF HE COULD COMPLETE
    THE DEAL ACCORDING TO TWO SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH THE
    MEETING. FLYNN'S LAWYERS RELEASED A
    STATEMENT ABOUT THE STORY SAYING, QUOTE, WE HAVE
    INTENTIONALLY AVOIDED RESPONDING TO EVERY RUMOR OR ALLEGATION
    RAISED IN THE MEDIA, BUT TODAY'S NEWS CYCLE HAS BROUGHT
    ALLEGATIONS ABOUT GENERAL FLYNN, RANGING FROM KIDNAPPING TO
    BRIBERY THAT ARE SO OUTRAGEOUS AND PREJUDICIAL THAT WE ARE
    MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO OUR USUAL RULE.
    THEY ARE FALSE. FLYNN, YOU RECALL, AMONG TRUMP'S
    EARLIEST CAMPAIGN SUPPORTERS, HE SERVED ON THE TRANSITION TEAM
    BEFORE FOLLOWING THE NEW PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
    FORMER ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL SALLY YATES OVER AT JUSTICE
    TESTIFIED THAT SIX DAYS AFTER TRUMP TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE,
    SHSHE WARNED THE WHITE HOUSE FLN WAS COMPROMISED WITH THE
    RUSSIANS. SHE ALSO TESTIFIED THAT VICE
    PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE HAD UNKNOWINGLY MADE FALSE
    STATEMENTS ABOUT FLYNN'S CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RUSSIANS.
    AND AN ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL SAID PENCE WAS RELAYING WHAT
    FLYNN TOLD HIM. 18 DAYS AFTER YATES' WARNING,
    TRUMP FIRED FLYNN. HERE'S HOW HE EXPLAINED WHY HE
    DID IT. >> Reporter: DID YOU FIRE MIKE
    FLYNN? >> MIKE FLYNN IS A FINE PERSON.
    AND I ASKED FOR HIS RESIGNATION. HE RESPECTFULLY GAVE IT.
    HE IS A MAN WHO, THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INFORMATION
    GIVEN TO VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WHO IS WITH US TODAY, AND I WAS
    NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN.
    >> Reporter: DID YOU DIRECT MIKE FLYNN TO DISCUSS SANCTIONS WITH
    THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR PRIOR TO YOUR INAUGURATION?
    >> NO, I DIDN'T. >> Reporter: AND WOULD YOU HAVE
    FIRED HIM IF THE INFORMATION HASN'T LEAKED OUT?
    >> NO, I FIRED HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID TO MIKE PENCE, VERY
    SIMPLE. MIKE WAS DOING HIS JOB, HE WAS
    CALLING COUNTRIES AND HIS COUNTERPARTS.
    WE ULTIMATELY FIRED HIM BUT FOR
    DIFFERENT REASON. >> Reporter: YOU'RE TALKING
    ABOUT GENERAL FLYNN, BECAUSE OF LYING TO THE VICE PRESIDENT.
    >> EVERYTHING PLAYS INTO IT. BUT WE FIRED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID
    SOMETHING TO THE VICE PRESIDENT THAT WAS NOT SO.
    >> LET'S BRING IN OUR STARTING PANEL ON A FRIDAY NIGHT SHOW,
    NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER JULIA AINSLEY, ONE OF THE
    AUTHORS OF THE FLYNN REPORT WE QUOTED.
    MORE ON THAT IN A MOMENT. POLITICO WHITE HOUSE REPORTER
    MATTHEW NEWSBOMB, AND HERE IN NEW YORK, JENNIFER ROGERS,
    FORMER ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
    JULIA, YOU GET TO GO FIRST, BECAUSE OF THE PANELISTS YOU
    MADE THE NEWS TODAY. TELL US THIS STORY AS BEST YOU
    CAN FOR A LAY AUDIENCE, INCLUDING HOW IN THE NAME IT
    INCLUDES THE POCANOS AND PENNSYLVANIA?
    >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I'LL BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU AS
    SIMPLY AS I CAN. BASICALLY, WE KNOW ROBERT
    MUELLER IS LOOKING INTO WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL FLYNN AND HIS
    ASSOCIATES MET IN A DECEMBER 2016 MEETING AT THE 21 CLUB IN
    NEW YORK. THAT IS AN UPSCALE RESTAURANT
    JUST BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE TRUMP TOWER WHERE FLYNN WAS SERVING ON
    THE PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM.
    WE UNDERSTAND FROM SOURCES WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS MEETING
    THAT THEY ALLEGEDLY TALKED ABOUT A $15 MILLION BRIBE THAT THEY
    WOULD TRY TO GIVE FLYNN ONCE HE WAS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IF
    HE COULD SEE THAT GULEN WAS REMOVED FROM THE UNITED STATES.
    GULEN IS A TURKISH PRESIDENTNT ERDOGAN LIVING IN THE POCANOS.
    IN ORDER TO REMOVE HIM, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH A
    KIDNAPPING OPERATION OR THROUGH EXTRADITION.
    WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE FBI HAD RE-UPPED THEIR INVESTIGATION,
    THEY WERE ASKED TO RE-UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO GULEN AT THE
    BEGINNING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHEN FLYNN WAS
    NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. THIS WAS AFTER THEY DISMISSED
    THIS INVESTIGATION UNDER OBAMA. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF
    PIECES, BUT WHAT MUELLER IS TRYING TO DRILL-DOWN ON HERE IS
    WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL FLYNN, TRUMP'S FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY
    ADVISER WAS EXPLOITED TO USE HIS POSITION IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
    IN ORDER TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF ANOTHER COUNTRY.
    THAT COUNTRY BEING TURKEY. >> AND JULIA, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT
    WE ALSO KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING AND THE TURKISH ANGLE BECAUSE A
    CERTAIN FORMER CIA DIRECTOR CAME IN AND THOUGHT IT DIDN'T LOOK OR
    SOUND RIGHT TO HIM AND HE TOLD THAT STORY?
    >> SO THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR WOOLSEY IS REFERRING TO A
    SEPTEMBER MEETING BEFORE THE ELECTION WHEN THE TURKISH
    OFFICIALS TALKED TO MICHAEL FLIP ABOUT USING HIS POSITION JUST
    WITHIN HIS OWN LOBBYING FIRM, THE FLYNN INTEL GROUP, AND
    TRYING TO ORCHESTRATE A FORCIBLE REMOVAL, POSSIBLY A KIDNAPPING
    OF GULEN. THIS MEETING THAT WE KNOW ABOUT
    NOW ACTUALLY HAPPENED DURING THE TRANSITION WHEN FLYNN KNEW HE
    WOULD BE BECOMING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER LATER.
    IT MAY HAVE INVOLVED A MORE LEGAL ROUTE, SUCH AS AN
    EXTRADITION. OF COURSE, IT IS NOT NORMAL, NOT
    APPROPRIATE ROUTE FOR AN EXTRADITION REQUEST TO COME FROM
    THE WHITE HOUSE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH
    DIPLOMATIC CHANNELS IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
    >> SO COUNSELOR, THIS COMES DOWN TO YOU, SOMEONE SAID ON SOCIAL
    MEDIA TODAY THAT IF THERE COULD BE ANYTHING FUNNY TAKEN OUT OF
    THIS, THIS COULD BE THE PLOT FROM A COHEN BROTHERS MOVIE WITH
    GENERAL FLYNN DRIVING AROUND THE POCANOS LOOKING FOR THE OLD GUY
    TO SEND OUT OF THE COUNTRY. AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, WHAT
    ALARM BELLS GO OFF IN YOUR HEAD? >> WELL, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR FLYNN
    TO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT. IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT TAKING
    MONEY TO TRY TO ORCHESTRATE A RETURN OF GULEN TO TURKEY
    THROUGH OFFICIAL CHANNELS, THEN YOU'RE TALKING SERIOUS BRIBERY
    OFFENSES. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT
    EXCEPT YOUR SALARY. IF YOU'RE TRYING FOR HIM TO
    CONDUCT A LEGAL OPERATION, YOU'RE ORCHESTRATING A
    KIDNAPPING THAT CROSSES INTERNATIONAL LINES.
    SO EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT COMMITTING A
    VERY SERIOUS CRIME IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE PROVEN TO BE
    TRUE. >> MATTHEW, HOW DOES THIS
    CONTINUE TO HAUNT THE ADMINISTRATION THAT AFTER ALL
    CONTINUES, EVEN THOUGH THE TRAVELING WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW
    IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD?
    >> IN SOME WAYS IT IS CONVENIENT THAT THEY ARE OVERSEAS WHILE
    THIS NEWS DROPS, BUT SARAH SANDERS WILL HAVE TO CONFRONT
    THIS WHEN THEY GET BACK. IT IS HARD TO OVERSTATE HOW
    SERIOUS THIS IS. OBVIOUSLY, THE MANAFORT
    INDICTMENT WAS SERIOUS FOR THIS WHITE HOUSE, BUT THAT WAS
    SOMEONE WHO LEFT THE CAMPAIGN IN AUGUST.
    MIKE FLYNN IS SOMEONE WHO WAS WITH THE CAMPAIGN THROUGH THE
    END, PROMINENT ON THE TRANSITION AND SERVED IN THIS WHITE HOUSE
    OVER THE WARNINGS OF PEOPLE LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO TOLD
    PRESIDENT TRUMP NOT TO HIRE HIM. AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT WAS
    MICHAEL FLYNN WHO DONALD TRUMP WAS DEFENDING TO JAMES COMEY AND
    SAID, HEY, CAN'T WE FIND A WAY TO LET THIS GO?
    HE WENT ON LATER TO FIRE JAMES COMEY, WHICH LED TO BOB MUELLER
    GETTING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS FLYNN CASE IS VERY, VERY
    SERIOUS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. EVEN MORE SERIOUS THAN THE
    MANAFORT CASE. >> MATTHEW, LET'S GO A LITTLE
    DEEPER ON THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A NEWS MEDIA
    DISTINCTION. FLYNN DOES PUT IT CLOSER TO THE
    OVAL OFFICE OF A SITTING PRESIDENT THAN ANYONE ELSE.
    PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN FLASHY HEADLINES ABOUT PAUL MANAFORT
    AND OTHERS, BUT THIS WOULD PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
    >> THAT'S RIGHT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS
    IMPORTANT AS PAUL MANAFORT WAS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, HE WAS THE
    CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN. HE WAS HELPING TO LEAD A
    POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH FLYNN
    WITH THESE ALLEGATIONS IS POSSIBLY USING HIS GOVERNMENT
    OFFICE, HIS POSITION AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO
    BASICALLY DO DEEDS ON BEHALF OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
    IT'S A QUESTION OF WHO IN THE WHITE HOUSE KNEW ABOUT THIS, WE
    KNOW THAT FLYNN ALLEGEDLY MISLED THE VICE PRESIDENT.
    BUT HAVING THIS SO CLOSE TO THE OVAL OFFICE, AND THEN AGAIN,
    HAVING THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF ASK THE FBI DIRECTOR TO BACK AWAY
    FROM THIS INVESTIGATION, THAT RAISES SO MANY RED FLAGS.
    AND OBVIOUSLY BOB MUELLER IS DIGGING INTO THAT.
    >> JULIA, ASSISTING THE PROSECUTION AS OFTEN IS THE
    CASE, THERE IS A GRAND JURY SITTING IN WASHINGTON, D.C.,
    YOU'VE LEARNED FURTHER ABOUT THEIR SCHEDULE OF LATE, WHAT CAN
    YOU REPORT ABOUT THAT? >> YES, THAT'S RIGHT, BRIAN.
    SO WE KNOW THAT THE GRAND JURY THAT'S BEEN IMPANELLED BY ROBERT
    MUELLER IS INTERVIEWING WITNESSES ABOUT FLYNN'S LOBBYING
    ACTIVITIES THROUGH THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
    THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
    A FLYNN INDICTMENT FOR SOME TIME.
    SINCE THE MANAFORT INDICTMENT, WE HAVE THOUGHT FLYNN WOULD BE
    THE NEXT SHOE TO DROP. WE KNOW THAT MUELLER IS
    CONTINUING THESE INTERVIEWS, WHICH SHOWS US TWO THINGS.
    ONE, THAT HE REALLY WANTS TO DRILL DEEP AND GET AS MUCH
    INFORMATION ON FLYNN AS HE POSSIBLY CAN.
    AND IT ALSO SHOWS THAT FLYNN PERHAPS COULD BE COOPERATING.
    AND THAT'S WHY THIS TIMELINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED.
    >> COUNSELOR, I WANT TO HEAR YOU OUT ON A PIECE IN "TIME"
    MAGAZINE WRITTEN BY THE FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COUNTER
    INTELLIGENCE FOR MUELLER WHILE AT THE FBI, ROBERT ANDERSON.
    THE HEADLINE IS HOW ROBERT MUELLER WORKS A CASE.
    AND HERE'S A QUOTE FROM IT IN PART, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
    WHO ARE USED TO SPENDING NEARLY $1 MILLION IN THREE YEARS ON
    BUSINESS SUITS OUT OF A PLACE IN CYPRUS, THESE GUYS ARE NOT GOING
    TO DO 25 YEARS IN JAIL. THAT'S WHY BOB MUELLER'S GOING
    ABOUT THIS THE WAY THAT HE IS. HE KNOWS THESE GUYS ARE NOT
    SEASONED CRIMINALS. AND HE KNOWS THEY'RE GOING TO
    ROLL OVER ON EACH OTHER. MARK MY WORDS, IT WILL START
    BECOMING A RACE TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE.
    I ALSO HEARD SOMEONE TODAY REFER TO MUELLER AS AN ACUPUNCTURIST
    FOR THE PRECISION WITH WHICH THEY HAVE GONE ABOUT THE CASE SO
    FAR. YOUR RESNAX.
    >> WELL, THAT'S THE IDEA, CLEARLY.
    THAT WAS THE POINT, I THINK, BEHIND THE SUBSTANCE IN THE
    MANAFORT INDICTMENT WAS TO GET THEM TO COOPERATE.
    AND SIMILARLY HERE, THEY HAVE CHARGES TO BRING ON FLYNN
    ALREADY, BUT THE REGISTRATION, THE FOREIGN AGENT'S REGISTRATION
    ACT AND FALSE STATEMENT OFFENSES MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO GET HIM TO
    FLIP. SO YOU BRING, POTENTIAL WILL I
    IF YOU CAN, THESE CHARGES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SERIOUS.
    AND FLYNN ALREADY UNLIKE MANAFORT HAS INDICATED AN
    INTEREST IN GETTING IMMUNE TY AND PERHAPS COOPERATING.
    SO I THINK THEY THINK IF THEY CAN GET A SERIOUS ENOUGH OFFENSE
    AGAINST FLYNN, HE'S DEFINITELY FLIPPING.
    >> DO YOU CONCUR WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE PRESENT ATTITUDE, WE
    KNOW BETWEEN 1% AND 10% OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
    FOR ALL OUR FANCY REPORTING AND ALL THE TALKING WE DEVOTE TO
    THIS, MUELLER RUNS A VERY TIGHT SHIP.
    >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE,
    HONESTLY. THESE ARE CONFIDENTIAL
    INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON. AND UNTIL THEY BRING ACTION THAT
    IS ARE MEANT TO BE PUBLIC, I AGREE THEY SHOULD STAY
    CONSIDERABLE, DESPITE THE GREAT WORK OF THE NEWS MEDIA.
    BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN STILL.
    AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK AND WE'LL FIND
    IT OUT WHEN IT'S TIME. >> MATT, LET'S JUST DELVE
    BRIEFLY INTO THE TRUMP AGENDA. WHILE ALL THIS IS GOING ON,
    WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT TAX CUTS AND TAX REFORM AND SOON THE
    TRAVELING CIRCUS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO TOWN AND WE'RE
    GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT CAPITOL HILL ONCE AGAIN.
    >> THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, WE KNOW THIS
    ADMINISTRATION HAS A HARD TIME DRIVING ONE MESSAGE.
    WE HAVE SEEN THAT THIS WEEK WHEN TAX REFORM AND THE ASIA TRIP
    WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG THING.
    OBVIOUSLY, ROY MOORE MADE SHORT WORK OF THAT.
    BETWEEN THIS CONTROVERSY DOWN IN ALABAMA AND THE WHITE HOUSE
    HAVING AN ANSWER FOR THAT AND MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION
    EXPANDING AND THESE NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT FLYNN, YOU
    COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT THIS TAX BILL LOOKS LIKE IT
    ACTUALLY RAISES TAXES TAXES ON AMOUNT OF MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES.
    THAT'S A LOT OF ISSUES FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO BE COMING BACK
    TO. AND THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONME
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