Journalist Dan Rather On His New Book And Explains Why The Country Will Be OK | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Journalist Dan Rather On His New Book And Explains Why The Country Will Be OK | Morning Joe | MSNBC
    >>> THIS IS LIKE THE GREATEST BOOK EVER DAY.
    MAKES A GREAT GIFT. JOINING US NOW THE EDITOR OF NEW
    YORK POST AND CONTRIBUTING EDITOR OF THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
    AND BIG INTERVIEW DAN RATHER. DAN IS OUT TODAY WITH A NEW
    BOOK, WHAT UNITES US. REFLECTIONS ON PATRIOTISM AND I
    SEE A FABULOUS PRODUCER. WITH YOU ON THIS BOOK.
    >> YOU AND I KNOW HIM WELL. HE'S FROM CBS AND HAS BEEN
    SINCE. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH ABOUT
    CARTER PAGE, BUT WHAT UNITES US AT THIS POINT.
    >> WHAT UNITES US IS REMEMBERING THE VALUES THAT HAVE HELD US
    TOGETHER ALL THESE TIMES AND NURTUING THESE VALUES.
    THAT'S WHAT HOLDS US TOGETHER. I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC.
    I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE HOPE DURING THIS TIME.
    VERY DANGEROUS TIME FOR THE COUNTRY.
    YOU KNOW, WE AMERICANS, WE'RE NOT GOOD AT SOME THINGS.
    WE'RE VERY GOOD AT HOLDING STEADY.
    STEADY IS THE BY WORD OF THE MOMENT.
    WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS AND COME TOGETHER.
    IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE. I'M HOPEFUL WE'LL COME OUT
    STRONGER. >> WE HAVE ONGOING DEBATE ABOUT
    WHAT PATRIOTISM IS AND THE LATEST FLASH POINT HAS BEEN IN
    THE NFL. SOME SAY IT'S PATRIOTIC TO STAND
    FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. I THINK MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE
    THAT'S PATRIOTIC. IT'S PATRIOTIC TO DECENT.
    THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN.
    WHEN YOU'RE AN AMERICAN AND YOU THINK SOMETHING IS UNJUST, YOU
    OUGHT TO DECENT. HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT PATRIOTISM
    IS TODAY. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I
    WANTED TO DISCUSS IN WHAT UNITES US.
    WHAT IS PATRIOTISM. IN THE SECOND DECADE OF THE 21st
    CENTURY. AS FAR AS THE ANTHEM IS
    CONCERNED. I STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.
    I PUT MY HAND TO THE HEART WITHOUT APOLOGY.
    THAT'S WHAT IS INSIDE ME. THAT'S WHAT I FEEL.
    DISSENT AS AN AMERICAN OR REVOLUTIONARY WAR.
    AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE
    LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER WHEN IT'S PEACEFUL DECENT.
    WHILE IT'S NOT MY WAY OF BELIEVING, SOME STAND, SOME
    KNEEL. HAVING RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO
    KNEEL AND EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY YOURSELF AS I SAY TO MYSELF,
    IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD DO, I WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO
    SAY. BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT
    THEY'RE SAYING, IT'S NOT DISRESPECT FOR THE COUNTRY.
    IT'S NOT DISRESPECT CERTAINLY FOR THE MILITARY.
    IT'S ABOUT CALLING ATTENTION TO INJUSTICE AND WE'RE NOT A
    PERFECT UNION. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, IN ORDER
    TO CREATE A MORE PERFECT UNION. IT'S ALWAYS THE NORTH STAR IS
    OUT THERE. WE WANT A A PERFECT UNION.
    REALIZE WE CAN'T BE PERFECT, BUT WE CAN KEEP IMPROVING.
    IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.
    AND LOWER VOICES. WE NEED AN INJECTION OF
    STABILITY WITH ONE ANOTHER. RESPECT FOR THE OTHER PERSON'S
    POINT OF VIEW. DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T STAND UP
    FOR OUR PRINCIPLES. THE CLUE CLUX CAN.
    TAKE ONE EXAMPLE. YOU CAN BE TRUE TO YOUR
    PRINCIPLES AND STILL RESPECT THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO DECENT.

    IT'S NOT UNPATRIOTIC. AS TIME GOES ALONG, HISTORY
    JUSTIFIES THEIR DECENT. WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE.
    CAN YOU BELIEVE WE SPENT ALMOST THE FIRST FIFTH OF THE 20th
    CENTURY AND STILL DIDN'T GIVE WOMEN THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
    THOSE WOMEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE BACK IN
    THE 19th CENTURY. WE'RE SEEN AS RADICALLY
    DISSENTERS AND SOME PEOPLE SAW THEM UNPATRIOTIC.
    WE NEED TO KEEP THEM IN MIND. >> LET'S LOOK NOW.
    THE BIGGER PICTURE AND THE GIVEN WHAT DAN SAID.
    SOME OF THE INCREDIBLE QUESTIONS.
    THAT ARE ON THE TABLE JUST PERTAINING TO LET'S SAY THE
    RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. YOUR TWEETS ARE SOMETHING I LOOK
    FORWARD TO. HERE'S ONE ABOUT CARTER PAGE.
    EVERYONE THINKS CARTER PAGE IS INSANE.
    SEEMS TO BE ANSWERING EVERY QUESTION TRUTHFULLY IS A PRETTY
    GOOD STRATEGY TO SAVE HIMSELF. >> I'M SERIOUS WHEN I SAY THIS.
    HE IS ADOPTING A STRATEGY THAT NO LAWYER OR WOULD RECOMMEND.
    WHICH IS HE'S JUST ANSWERING ANY AND EVERY QUESTION THAT IS PUT
    TO HIM AND HE SAID IN ONE OF HIS TESTIMONY, LOOK, I CAN'T ANSWER
    THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO DISCOVER LATER
    THAT I GOT THE TIMELINE WRONG. OR I FORGOT SOME PART OF MY
    MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO HE'S PLAYING SOME KIND OF
    WEIRD HOLY INNOCENT GAME I SAID BEFORE.
    IT'S LIKE A COMBINATION OF GARDENER FROM BEING THERE AND
    THE WONDERED AROUND GREENWICH VILLAGE IN A BATHROBE TRYING TO
    CONVINCE EVERYBODY HE WAS A CRAZY PERSON.
    ON THE ONE HAND. HE SOUNDS LIKE AN IDIOT.
    ON THE OTHER HAND HE'S BEHAVING LIKE A CRAZY PERSON.
    IT'S AN INTERESTING STRATEGY IN THE SECOND DECADE OF THE 21st
    CENTURY RATHER THAN TO BE UNBELIEVABLY CAUTIOUS, IT'S
    BEING UNCAUTIOUS AND SAYING COME AT ME.
    WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? LOOK AT ME.
    >> IT WAS ALMOST FAWN LIKE WITH NO LAWYER TO PROTECT HIM.
    WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES. I WENT TO MOS CAN YOU.
    TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. DOESN'T THAT DO HIM REAL DAMAGE.
    PART OF THE QUESTION IS NAIVE. >> I THINK IT CAN INDEED DO HIM
    REAL DAMAGE. UNLESS WHEN HIS CLAIM IS TO MAKE
    YET ANOTHER POP CULTURE ANALOGY. HE'S PLAYING HIMSELF.
    HE'S WONDERING AROUND AND LOOK, THERE'S THE DEPUTY PRIME
    MINSTER. YEAH, I FORGOT.
    I FORGOT I MET WITH HIM. YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IT'S A
    LITTLE HARD TO BELIEVE WATCHING THIS GUY UNLESS HE IS THE
    GREATEST ACTOR IN THE WORLD THAT HE WAS SOMEHOW A DEEP SENIOR
    OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, WITH HIS HANDS ON THE TILLER OF THE TRUMP
    CAMPAIGN. HE JUST SEEMS TOO MUCH OF A
    FLAKE. EVEN THAT WEIRD CAMPAIGN TO HAVE
    BEEN SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY WAS GOING TO TAKE OR SEND TO MOSCOW
    TO BE A EMISSARY FOR THE CAMPAIGN.
    HE'S NOT SOMEBODY YOU WOULD TRUST WITH SUCH A DELICATE JOB.
    >> YOUR NAME CAME UP AN HOUR OR SO.
    WE'RE TALKING TO LAWRENCE O'DONNELL ABOUT HIS NEW BOOK.
    TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING
    RIGHT NOW. EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN
    2016. AND SORT OF THE VISIONS AND THIS
    COUNTRY. DO YOU SEE PARALLELS IN
    CULTURALS THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED RIGHT NOW TO THAT TIME.
    >> YES, CERTAINLY SIMILARITIES. IT IT'S WORTH REMINDING
    OURSELVES. ONE OF THE THINGS I TRIED TO DO
    IN WHAT UNITES US IS POINT OUT THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
    WE'VE BEEN THROUGH VERY DIFFICULT TIMES BEFORE.
    IN THE 1960s, THIS COUNTRY VERY MUCH DIVIDED.
    WE HAD ASSASSINATIONS. RACES.
    WE HAVE DIVISIONS OVER THE VIETNAM WAR.
    THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE 1960s WHO THOUGHT CENTER
    CAN'T HOLD. COUNTRY CAN'T HOLD ITSELF
    TOGETHER, BUT WE CAME OUT THE OTHER END OF THAT.
    AND DON'T FORGET THE CIVIL WAR. CATASTROPHE OF THE CIVIL WAR.
    THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND EVERYONE THROUGH AND COURAGE.
    FOR THOSE WHO SAY WOE IS ME NOW. I AGREE.
    PERILOUS TIME FOR THE COUNTRY. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE TIMES
    BEFORE. IT'S REASON I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC.
    WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.
    IF WE ADDRESS OUR DEEP PROBLEMS. RACE BEING ON MY LIST NUMBER
    ONE. WE MAKE GREAT PROGRESS WITH
    CIVIL RIGHTS. WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.
    >> WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THERE. >> I DO THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS
    WHO ARE NOT ALIVE DURING THE 1960s AND OTHERS WHO WERE NOT OF
    THE AGE HAVE FORGOTTEN. THAT WAS A VERY DIVISIVE TIME.
    SIMILAR TO THE TIME WE'RE IN NOW.
    >> DAN RATHER. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
    IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AND HEAR YOUR VOICE.
    >> SO PROUD OF YOU. >> YOU JUST GO FROM ONE TRIUMPH
    TO ANOTHER. >> IS THAT WHAT WE CALL IT THESE
    DAYS? THE BOOK IS WHAT UNITES US.
    THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE BOOK IS OUT NOW.
    WE POSTED AN EXCERPT ON OUR MORNING JOE WEBSITE SO YOU CAN
    TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THE GREAT DAN RATHER.
    THANK YOU. JOHN, STAY WITH US IF YOU CAN.
    ON TOMORROW'S SHOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FORMER DNC CHAIR
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