Joe Weighs In On Elections: US Politics Are A 'Disaster' | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Joe Weighs In On Elections: US Politics Are A 'Disaster' | Morning Joe | MSNBC
    . >> WELCOME BACK TO "MORNING
    JOE." IT WILL BE A COLD DAY, WIND
    CHILL IN THE TEENS THEY SAY, IN THE TEENS.
    SO JOE WAS WRITING THIS MORNING IN THE "WASHINGTON POST" IT
    PROVES IT. >>> AMERICAN POLITICS ARE A
    DISASTER.
    >>> THIS HAS BEEN A PIPE DREAM FOR TOO LONG, IT'S BEEN A PIPE
    PARTY, IT'S NEVER WORKED WITH A CANDIDATE THAT HAS A CHANCE TO
    WIN. IS IT DIFFERENT?
    IS IT GETTING DIFFERENT? >> I SPENT THE LAST WEEKEND OUT
    WITH THE TRUMP VOTERS, THE DEMOCRATS WHO HAD VOTED FOR
    TRUMP IN PENNSYLVANIA AND OHIO AND THEY'RE STILL ENTHUSIASTIC
    ABOUT HIM BUT AS MUCH AS THEY LOVE HIM, YOU LOOK AT THE 67% OF
    THE COUNTRY THAT'S APPALLED BY HIM AND REPELLED BY HIM.
    I DO THINK, I'VE NEVER BEEN A FAN, A PROPONENT, A BELIEVER
    THAT A THIRD PARTY CAN DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SERVE AS SA
    SPOILER FOR THE PARTY WITH WHICH HE OR SHE IS MOST ALIGNED.
    I THINK WE'RE IN THIS MOMENT. MIKE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT
    THE BOOK "THE UNWINDER" BY GEORGE PACKER, WE ARE
    UNRAVELLED, WE ARE UNWOUND, WE NEED TO BE UPDATED AND COULD
    UNWOUND. I THINK AS WE SORT OF ALL ARE ON
    OUR KNEES, THERE IS AN OPENNESS TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
    BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT AROUND COMPETENT NOT IDEOLOGY.
    I THINK SOMETHING THAT REPELS PEOPLE IS THIS TRIBALISM, THE
    DEFENDING OF THE INDEFENSIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN YOUR TRIBE.
    I THINK A THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE BASED AROUND
    THAT WHICH IS COMPETENT, NOT IDEOLOGICAL AND THAT WHICH IS
    GRASS ROOTS. >> WE SAW THAT.
    >> EVERY OTHER AREA OF OUR LIFE, WE HAVE MORE CHOICES THAN EVER
    BEFORE, WE GREW UP WITH SIX TVs, THERE USED TO BE TWO PEANUT
    BUTTERS, NOW THERE ARE 100. >> THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING,
    STANDING THERE FOR LIKE AN HOUR. >> THIS IS THE ONLY AREA IN
    MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION THAT HAS NOT EVA FLD TO KIND OF MORE
    CHOICES. WE STILL LIVE IN THIS A OR B
    WORLD AND WE ARE NOT IN AN A OR B WORLD.
    SO I DON'T HAVE A PRESCRIPTION, BUT I DO NOT, IT'S NOT MIRROR
    WHO WE ARE ANYMORE. WHICH IS TAKE ONE, TAKE THE
    OTHER OR GO HOME. >> BUT IN NEW YORK, SYRACUSE THE
    FIFTH LARGEST CITY, ELECTED MAYOR ON TUESDAY THAT DID NOT
    COME FROM A MAJOR PARTY, WHO RAN AS AN INDEPENDENT WITH 54% OF
    THE VOTE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE CAME
    FROM A PROMINENT REPUBLICAN FAMILY, BUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS
    ABLE TO GET 54% OF THE VOTE IN A DEMOCRATIC CITY AND NOW GOES IN
    AS AN INDEPENDENT, IT DOES SHOW ON THE GRASS ROOTS LEVEL WITH
    THE RIGHT CANDIDATE, PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO IT.
    SO WE ARE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE BREAK HERE AND THERE.
    >> JOHN, IF YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A
    REPUBLICAN. HE WAS A VETTING CANDIDATE WHO
    RAN, BERNIE SANDERS ISN'T A DEMOCRAT.
    IN FACT, HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT, HE'S AN INDEPENDENT, THAT SPIRIT
    IS THERE. THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU RUN
    WITHOUT THE PARTY APPARATUS AND WIN ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL?
    >> THE ANSWER IS NO, TO DONNY OS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A FREE
    MARKET IN POLITICS, I WAS A BIG ADVOCATE SOMEHOW WE CAN GET AN
    INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THE REALITY IS THE
    PARTIES HAVE SUCH A VICE-LIKE GRIP OVER BASIC FUNDAMENTAL
    INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE BALLOT ACCESS, THE PEOPLE THAT GO
    AROUND START THIS MOVEMENT. YOU GO STATE BY STATE.
    THE PARTIES ARE PROFOUNDLY CORRUPT.
    THEY HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OVER YOU KEEPING THOSE THIRD PARTY
    OUT THAT IT JUST, IT'S ALMOST INSUPPERABLE BARRIER TO THAT
    HAPPENING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEAR THERE IS A HUGE APPETITE
    FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THE THING ABOUT TRUMP, THE
    REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE IN A PERIOD OF TERMINAL BREAKDOWN.
    YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO SEE THE PARTIES DISSOLVE AND REBUILD
    THEMSELVES RATHER THAN LIKE A
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